Dream Theater in the studio
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I agree, Tony is a tremendously great guitarist, one of the few that can actually keep up with Vai's technicality and sometimes out do. But He just doesn't have that awesome and unique Style that Vai has.
progmetaldan
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That's a fair point, Vai is much more of a showman and is at one with the audience. I reckon Vai was lucky to have Tony, cos yeah he can play all the keys and 2nd guitar parts...
progmetaldan
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BTW, I was exaggerating a bit there. Don't get me wrong, Vai was and is unbelievable and is one of my all time favourite guitarists
(Petrucci, MacAlpine, Jarzombek, Vai, Becker...) I was just overstating my point... 
Killing jOe
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BTW, I was exaggerating a bit there. Don't get me wrong, Vai was and is unbelievable and is one of my all time favourite guitarists
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MJR!
If I named them all we'd be here all night... Check my myspace if u want a full list...
Damn you all and all those religious fanatics like you, you should all just give up and burng your guitar noobs, yeah because you all suck and could never play as good or as fast as me...I'm just going to play 5 million bps, now lets just lower it down to 4 million bps... haha fucking eh John Petrucci, fucking eh! Hillarious movies ftw
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Petrucci: Yes, I am your god... Anyway...
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For all of you who are still unaware of what we're talking about - check out all the videos of the user adam02 on youtube.com. They're hillarious!! And the secret tape just rulez
Kenneth R.
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he's definitely amazing... BUT... lately all he does is re-use his own riffs in re-arranged ways. his experimental awesomeness has become the rut he's stuck in, at least right now. i hope he surprises us all with something unexpected, but i can't say he's still a major innovator. Tony on the other hand...
progmetaldan
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I agree... I LOVE heaps of Vai tunes, but there always seems to be some annoying, wierd songs which I just skip over cos after the first listen they're just annoying. Luckily his other songs are SO AWESOME that I still buy all the albums...
Anonymous
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I'm a huge fan of Zappa so my threshold for weird music is elevated enough to think all of Vai's songs are great.
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Killing jOe
Yours truly!
I just listened to When Dream And Day Unite,
it's cool,
but even in it's current line-up and everything it's not as good as Images.
Oh, and by the way, happy hanuka !
it's cool,
but even in it's current line-up and everything it's not as good as Images.
Oh, and by the way, happy hanuka !
Kenneth R.
Cináed
that's actually not what i was referring to. he recycles a lot of his melody riffs. the 'weird songs' are his only innovation these days. and it's a shame, because he was so amazing. he still is, from a technical perspective, but he hasn't written anything significantly NEW in a few albums.
I'm a new member and have read the entire thread. Just thought I'd post a few comments.
First, great to hear that DT is in the studio again. Man, are they prolific or what? I was also not a huge fan of 8vm (only *really* enjoyed Panic Attack, Sacrificed Sons, and 8vm). I thought the rest was subpar. In their defense, their goal was to write short songs, which they did. I just don't think DT excels at short songs. SX, on the other hand, can write awesome short songs, and it stays true to their style. (Not a comment on who's better, just on who's better at consistency within epic and short songs).
Anyway, the main point of my post was to share a few experiences with you guys (which may or may not relate to why many DT fans on the forums are a**holes). Growing up, my influences were bands like Motley Crue, Metallica, Pantera, Sepultura, and so on. I remained pretty much in the hard rock/metal realm, ignoring everything else. I learned all the Metallica songs on bass, and several on guitar as well (because, let's face it, playing bass alone gets old pretty fast). I still prefer to play bass in bands, but play guitar to do all my songwriting and arrangements.
Then one day, back in the early 1990s, I saw a video on Much Music (Canada's MTV equivalent). It was a bunch of long-haired guys playing a heavy song that I could groove to. Two things struck me as odd. First, the singer had an amazing, clear voice that was both powerful and trained. The second was the odd patterns that would creep up in the drums. At the end of the song, I saw the band was Dream Theater and the song was Pull Me Under. I'd never heard of them before. I was getting a little tired of the hard, crunchy vocals that I was used to and was really looking for something clean and powerful like I'd just heard, but with HEAVY music. So, I went out and bought I&W. What garbage, I thought! I listened to the tape once, and couldn't get through it. So many time changes, weird patterns, I was lost. Gave it a second listen about a month later, still too much. Eventually, I began to understand the patterns and really enjoyed it. Soon enough, I was hooked and bought WDADU, and a fan was born.
To make a long story short, I was a hardcore DT fan for the next decade, listening only to DT for most of that period. If it wasn't DT, it was either classical or jazz because nothing else I could find really satisfied me. I too was very protective of DT and felt they were untouchable. I couldn't understand when others said they sounded mechanical or that James LaBrie didn't have a great voice. After all, his voice had become part of me, representing over 10 years of my life, hearing that voice when I was depressed, or writing music, or going on a road trip, or after a long night of partying. DT had infused itself into my life.
I was growing a little tired of DT with ToT and especially Octavarium. It wasn't a bad CD, just didn't really quench my thirst. So I began to really seek out new music. I stumbled upon many great projects, like Circus Maximus, Coheed & Cambria, Andromeda, Devin Townsend Band, Pain of Salvation, tons of Italian prog, The Butterfly Effect, and so on. I still listen to all of those, and they have their amazing moments. But it wasn't enough. I still thought no one could touch DT.
And then I discovered Symphony X. I went to the Gigantour in Montreal and the opening bands pretty much stank up the place. My cousin and I were chatting while some band started its set as we were waiting for DT. As soon as the singer started, we both just stopped our conversation and watched, mesmerized, as SX really rocked the crowd. I couldn't understand a word he said, and I the guitars sounded like one big mush, but I *knew* there was something special about his voice. So, I picked up The Odyssey. Wow, I was blown away. I listened to it over and over, amazed by what I heard. The whole band was incredibly talented, and the singer, most of all, really captivated me. I really liked how they were similar to DT but not really. They are under the same umbrella, but sound nothing alike. ANd for the first time in over a decade, I understood what others had been telling me. 1.5 years since Gigantour, Allen has finally displaced Labrie as my favourite prog singer.
After the Odyssey, I got The Damnation Game, then TDWOT, TOO, and finally, V. V is the one that really put SX over the top for me. All their CDs are great in their own right, but V takes the cake. The symphonic elements are amazing; sometimes I feel like a Star Wars movie, other times I feel like I'm roving the fields of ancient Greece.
Anyway, this story is just to try and shed some light on why DT fans can be idiots. I was once there; mind you, I was *not* at all like them. I was not rabid, I didn't post on the boards because I also thought they were idiots, but in my mind, no one could dislodge DT from its pinnacle. Now that someone finally has, my range of prog has expanded exponentially. But SX has become, for me, the new standard bearer of thoughtful, melodic, well-crafted progressive metal music.
Happy holidays everyone!
For a new poster, I figured I'd make my first one a doozy
First, great to hear that DT is in the studio again. Man, are they prolific or what? I was also not a huge fan of 8vm (only *really* enjoyed Panic Attack, Sacrificed Sons, and 8vm). I thought the rest was subpar. In their defense, their goal was to write short songs, which they did. I just don't think DT excels at short songs. SX, on the other hand, can write awesome short songs, and it stays true to their style. (Not a comment on who's better, just on who's better at consistency within epic and short songs).
Anyway, the main point of my post was to share a few experiences with you guys (which may or may not relate to why many DT fans on the forums are a**holes). Growing up, my influences were bands like Motley Crue, Metallica, Pantera, Sepultura, and so on. I remained pretty much in the hard rock/metal realm, ignoring everything else. I learned all the Metallica songs on bass, and several on guitar as well (because, let's face it, playing bass alone gets old pretty fast). I still prefer to play bass in bands, but play guitar to do all my songwriting and arrangements.
Then one day, back in the early 1990s, I saw a video on Much Music (Canada's MTV equivalent). It was a bunch of long-haired guys playing a heavy song that I could groove to. Two things struck me as odd. First, the singer had an amazing, clear voice that was both powerful and trained. The second was the odd patterns that would creep up in the drums. At the end of the song, I saw the band was Dream Theater and the song was Pull Me Under. I'd never heard of them before. I was getting a little tired of the hard, crunchy vocals that I was used to and was really looking for something clean and powerful like I'd just heard, but with HEAVY music. So, I went out and bought I&W. What garbage, I thought! I listened to the tape once, and couldn't get through it. So many time changes, weird patterns, I was lost. Gave it a second listen about a month later, still too much. Eventually, I began to understand the patterns and really enjoyed it. Soon enough, I was hooked and bought WDADU, and a fan was born.
To make a long story short, I was a hardcore DT fan for the next decade, listening only to DT for most of that period. If it wasn't DT, it was either classical or jazz because nothing else I could find really satisfied me. I too was very protective of DT and felt they were untouchable. I couldn't understand when others said they sounded mechanical or that James LaBrie didn't have a great voice. After all, his voice had become part of me, representing over 10 years of my life, hearing that voice when I was depressed, or writing music, or going on a road trip, or after a long night of partying. DT had infused itself into my life.
I was growing a little tired of DT with ToT and especially Octavarium. It wasn't a bad CD, just didn't really quench my thirst. So I began to really seek out new music. I stumbled upon many great projects, like Circus Maximus, Coheed & Cambria, Andromeda, Devin Townsend Band, Pain of Salvation, tons of Italian prog, The Butterfly Effect, and so on. I still listen to all of those, and they have their amazing moments. But it wasn't enough. I still thought no one could touch DT.
And then I discovered Symphony X. I went to the Gigantour in Montreal and the opening bands pretty much stank up the place. My cousin and I were chatting while some band started its set as we were waiting for DT. As soon as the singer started, we both just stopped our conversation and watched, mesmerized, as SX really rocked the crowd. I couldn't understand a word he said, and I the guitars sounded like one big mush, but I *knew* there was something special about his voice. So, I picked up The Odyssey. Wow, I was blown away. I listened to it over and over, amazed by what I heard. The whole band was incredibly talented, and the singer, most of all, really captivated me. I really liked how they were similar to DT but not really. They are under the same umbrella, but sound nothing alike. ANd for the first time in over a decade, I understood what others had been telling me. 1.5 years since Gigantour, Allen has finally displaced Labrie as my favourite prog singer.
After the Odyssey, I got The Damnation Game, then TDWOT, TOO, and finally, V. V is the one that really put SX over the top for me. All their CDs are great in their own right, but V takes the cake. The symphonic elements are amazing; sometimes I feel like a Star Wars movie, other times I feel like I'm roving the fields of ancient Greece.
Anyway, this story is just to try and shed some light on why DT fans can be idiots. I was once there; mind you, I was *not* at all like them. I was not rabid, I didn't post on the boards because I also thought they were idiots, but in my mind, no one could dislodge DT from its pinnacle. Now that someone finally has, my range of prog has expanded exponentially. But SX has become, for me, the new standard bearer of thoughtful, melodic, well-crafted progressive metal music.
Happy holidays everyone!
For a new poster, I figured I'd make my first one a doozy
Kenneth R.
Cináed
Matt
Active Member
I'm a new member and have read the entire thread. Just thought I'd post a few comments.
First, great to hear that DT is in the studio again. Man, are they prolific or what? I was also not a huge fan of 8vm (only *really* enjoyed Panic Attack, Sacrificed Sons, and 8vm). I thought the rest was subpar. In their defense, their goal was to write short songs, which they did. I just don't think DT excels at short songs. SX, on the other hand, can write awesome short songs, and it stays true to their style. (Not a comment on who's better, just on who's better at consistency within epic and short songs).
Anyway, the main point of my post was to share a few experiences with you guys (which may or may not relate to why many DT fans on the forums are a**holes). Growing up, my influences were bands like Motley Crue, Metallica, Pantera, Sepultura, and so on. I remained pretty much in the hard rock/metal realm, ignoring everything else. I learned all the Metallica songs on bass, and several on guitar as well (because, let's face it, playing bass alone gets old pretty fast). I still prefer to play bass in bands, but play guitar to do all my songwriting and arrangements.
Then one day, back in the early 1990s, I saw a video on Much Music (Canada's MTV equivalent). It was a bunch of long-haired guys playing a heavy song that I could groove to. Two things struck me as odd. First, the singer had an amazing, clear voice that was both powerful and trained. The second was the odd patterns that would creep up in the drums. At the end of the song, I saw the band was Dream Theater and the song was Pull Me Under. I'd never heard of them before. I was getting a little tired of the hard, crunchy vocals that I was used to and was really looking for something clean and powerful like I'd just heard, but with HEAVY music. So, I went out and bought I&W. What garbage, I thought! I listened to the tape once, and couldn't get through it. So many time changes, weird patterns, I was lost. Gave it a second listen about a month later, still too much. Eventually, I began to understand the patterns and really enjoyed it. Soon enough, I was hooked and bought WDADU, and a fan was born.
To make a long story short, I was a hardcore DT fan for the next decade, listening only to DT for most of that period. If it wasn't DT, it was either classical or jazz because nothing else I could find really satisfied me. I too was very protective of DT and felt they were untouchable. I couldn't understand when others said they sounded mechanical or that James LaBrie didn't have a great voice. After all, his voice had become part of me, representing over 10 years of my life, hearing that voice when I was depressed, or writing music, or going on a road trip, or after a long night of partying. DT had infused itself into my life.
I was growing a little tired of DT with ToT and especially Octavarium. It wasn't a bad CD, just didn't really quench my thirst. So I began to really seek out new music. I stumbled upon many great projects, like Circus Maximus, Coheed & Cambria, Andromeda, Devin Townsend Band, Pain of Salvation, tons of Italian prog, The Butterfly Effect, and so on. I still listen to all of those, and they have their amazing moments. But it wasn't enough. I still thought no one could touch DT.
And then I discovered Symphony X. I went to the Gigantour in Montreal and the opening bands pretty much stank up the place. My cousin and I were chatting while some band started its set as we were waiting for DT. As soon as the singer started, we both just stopped our conversation and watched, mesmerized, as SX really rocked the crowd. I couldn't understand a word he said, and I the guitars sounded like one big mush, but I *knew* there was something special about his voice. So, I picked up The Odyssey. Wow, I was blown away. I listened to it over and over, amazed by what I heard. The whole band was incredibly talented, and the singer, most of all, really captivated me. I really liked how they were similar to DT but not really. They are under the same umbrella, but sound nothing alike. ANd for the first time in over a decade, I understood what others had been telling me. 1.5 years since Gigantour, Allen has finally displaced Labrie as my favourite prog singer.
After the Odyssey, I got The Damnation Game, then TDWOT, TOO, and finally, V. V is the one that really put SX over the top for me. All their CDs are great in their own right, but V takes the cake. The symphonic elements are amazing; sometimes I feel like a Star Wars movie, other times I feel like I'm roving the fields of ancient Greece.
Anyway, this story is just to try and shed some light on why DT fans can be idiots. I was once there; mind you, I was *not* at all like them. I was not rabid, I didn't post on the boards because I also thought they were idiots, but in my mind, no one could dislodge DT from its pinnacle. Now that someone finally has, my range of prog has expanded exponentially. But SX has become, for me, the new standard bearer of thoughtful, melodic, well-crafted progressive metal music.
Happy holidays everyone!
For a new poster, I figured I'd make my first one a doozy
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