karelrulez
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It's pretty good after a couple of listens, don't really dig the U2 song, but the rest is awesome. JP should solo more though.
Dream Theater - Octavarium
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DoktorShred
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ShokaiShimizu said:
I think DT albums are all well produced. Six degrees probably has one of my favourite productions ever
Rose Immortal
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If they reined in Rudess, that could be interesting...but the big test of it is, what about the song "Octavarium" itself? How boring is it? Or does it sustain itself?
Octavarium sustains itself. Goes through different parts and it isn't all that heavy. It's actually somewhat less heavy, but dark in sound and texture. If you're familiar with Shine On You Crazy Diamond part 2, then you'll kind of get the idea. John Petrucci seems to evoke sounds of Dave Gilmour.
To keep it interesting, the song goes through phases and they are distinct while being very definitively connected. Octavarium is close to a 9.5.
To keep it interesting, the song goes through phases and they are distinct while being very definitively connected. Octavarium is close to a 9.5.
snakeey11
Tool of the Devil
sknight said:
Definitely. Without a doubt, Shine On You Crazy Diamond comes to mind right from the beginning. As I said before, I love the flute that comes in right around the 4:30 mark, along with the acoustic guitar. I would put Octavarium above ACOS in my book, although they are quite different. Also, gotta love Myung's presence on this album, he's much more to the front!
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Hmm...this could be worth checking out. I'm a pretty big Pink Floyd fan, and it would be interesting to hear that influence on them.
Woah woah woah... DT getting overall excellent feedback on their new album on the SyX boards?!?!? Hell has frozen over!!!
Yngvai X
Dark Emperor
I think the whole thing is pretty bland. I'm gonna give it some more listens but nothing really stood out to me. Someone told me they rip off Muse left and right on this album but since I don't listen to Muse I wouldn't be able to pick up on that. At least it didn't really piss me off like ToT did.
I put it this way to my friend: it sounds like DT is ripping off DT rip off bands in some songs. In other words, its some of the most bland, samey "prog" music I've ever heard.
I'm beginning to think DT officially ran out of good ideas with SFaM.
I put it this way to my friend: it sounds like DT is ripping off DT rip off bands in some songs. In other words, its some of the most bland, samey "prog" music I've ever heard.
I'm beginning to think DT officially ran out of good ideas with SFaM.
SymphonyOfDreams said:
and its Ironic that Octavarium is getting negative feedback on DT.net!!!
but you know what would really make hell freeze over......................you not trolling messageboards.
Kenneth R.
Cináed
first a little clarification:
wankery. i hate hate hate wankery. such as erotomania, dance of eternity, and stuff like that. consider it "generic prog" aka boring aka an oxymoron. filler sections. like just about half of SDOIT, and half of ToT. that said, my appreciation for DT has significantly fallen since SFAM.
i was skeptical when people sent me "the new album", but as far as i can tell, its a MUCH more solid album. my only complaints:
the intro to These Walls isn't so great, the sound on the guitar is too fuzzy and that whammy bar effect could have been better used. furthermore, the song panic attack has a couple wankery solos that bored me. the lyrics to These Walls and Panic Attack bored me. Sacrificed Sons could do without the wankery middle section.
other than this:
the title track slays. so does I Walk Beside You, Never Enough, and The Answer Lies Within. those tracks + the better parts of Sacrificed Sons amount to about 45min, which is enough music for me to say this album is quite good. the rest i consider "bonus" for those who like to drool at techniques
wankery. i hate hate hate wankery. such as erotomania, dance of eternity, and stuff like that. consider it "generic prog" aka boring aka an oxymoron. filler sections. like just about half of SDOIT, and half of ToT. that said, my appreciation for DT has significantly fallen since SFAM.
i was skeptical when people sent me "the new album", but as far as i can tell, its a MUCH more solid album. my only complaints:
the intro to These Walls isn't so great, the sound on the guitar is too fuzzy and that whammy bar effect could have been better used. furthermore, the song panic attack has a couple wankery solos that bored me. the lyrics to These Walls and Panic Attack bored me. Sacrificed Sons could do without the wankery middle section.
other than this:
the title track slays. so does I Walk Beside You, Never Enough, and The Answer Lies Within. those tracks + the better parts of Sacrificed Sons amount to about 45min, which is enough music for me to say this album is quite good. the rest i consider "bonus" for those who like to drool at techniques
Androz
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Silent Song said:
Not always. Erotomania and Dance of Eternity have plenty of emotions. If you think that's unemotional, you gotta listen to Planet X.
Maybe the excessive instrumental is too much for me, but for me, if its done well, its awesome, but if its not, its very very boring.
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While I don't agree as much about "Dance of Eternity", I honestly don't get why "Erotomania" would be bothersome. In fact, coming in at about 6 minutes, with a good flow to it, I think it's one of their most tightly-composed instrumentals that I've heard. I consider it a highlight of an already "highlight" album.
Kenneth R.
Cináed
i'm just not a fan of the "weddly weedly wowowoowoooooooooeeeeeooo" when every single band on the planet has already done it, and if it serves no purpose except "wow we rule look how big our (egos) are". thats the impression i get from those two songs in particular, but many others as well that i no longer care to listen to beyond my initial impression of "wow, they are talented." they don't need to prove it more than once, if at all.
i vastly prefer tasteful melody to raw technical skill, such as space dye vest, hollow years, lines in the sand, another day, surrounded, and other non-"shred" songs. also note that this opinion is not limited to just dream theater, and it is in fact *just* an opinion.
odd time signatures, out of place rhythm stops, and 6 string runs are only any good if they're put to good use. anybody can say he has the biggest toolbox, but i prefer a quality carpenter.
i vastly prefer tasteful melody to raw technical skill, such as space dye vest, hollow years, lines in the sand, another day, surrounded, and other non-"shred" songs. also note that this opinion is not limited to just dream theater, and it is in fact *just* an opinion.
odd time signatures, out of place rhythm stops, and 6 string runs are only any good if they're put to good use. anybody can say he has the biggest toolbox, but i prefer a quality carpenter.
This would get deleted on the Octavarium board, but the title has a definite meaning and I'm thinking something along the lines of the influences that made up the songs.
I can hear:
Yes
The Who
Pink Floyd
The Beatles
Queen
That leaves three more influences to add to the list. They recycled the influences and completed the circle.
I can hear:
Yes
The Who
Pink Floyd
The Beatles
Queen
That leaves three more influences to add to the list. They recycled the influences and completed the circle.
Dark Lucidity
Wrath
man, fast solos own..
Ive only heard The edits of panic attack and these walls.. cant find the full album.. only labries solo thing :/ where did you guys find it?? @_#
Ive only heard The edits of panic attack and these walls.. cant find the full album.. only labries solo thing :/ where did you guys find it?? @_#
Androz
Lord of the Cheese
as a whole, the title track is DT's finest work IMO. In addition, most of the rest of the album is a step up from ToT (Root of All Evil, These Walls, I Walk Beside You, Sacrificed Sons, part of Panic Attack and part of Never Enough). I am very pleased with this disc, mainly because in Octavarium they have created a masterpiece with what could easily contain LaBrie's finest vocal parts and JP's finest solo (not in terms of display of technique, but rather beauty and appropriatness). The symphonic elements and use of the orchestra are fantastic. New ground for DT, and they hit the first pitch out of the park. Bravo.
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