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this is 2006. black metal isnt "MEANT" to be primitive and raw anymore. but to say you enjoy bands like xasthur or deathspell omega and then completely write off mayhem and darkthrone is just fucking absurd, im sorry...but it is.
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How is liking Xasthur and Deathspell then harping on Mayhem and Darkthrone absurd? Mayhem and Darkthrone is just simple, repetitious power chord wanker with riffs my 12 year old brother could play picking up a guitar at first go.
Xasthur on the other hand has created their black metal using elements of doom, post rock, a bit of symphonic, much the same way as Leviathan. And for one man bands, that pretty good.
Xasthur on the other hand has created their black metal using elements of doom, post rock, a bit of symphonic, much the same way as Leviathan. And for one man bands, that pretty good.
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NineFeetUnderground said:
Thats my OPINION, which I have clearly stated in my post to him. I wrote "thats my personal taste", in no way do I state that Mayhem and DT have nothing to do with BM overall. They ARE important to the movement, i simply dont like them.
Its my TASTE. Read the post again before trying to act all high and mighty.
PS - if Black Metal "isnt meant to be raw and primitive anymore" then go and listen to Taake and 1349 and you'll find yourself very wrong. I think YOU Need to do some research here before slamming me like this.
We all know Black Metal has grown a lot. My posts are meant to help him find a way to get STARTED. You should do the same instead of wasting time finding where I am wrong.
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The Hubster said:
i said it isnt meant to be primitive and raw anymore. not that is CANT be. some bands still do that style quite well, i was retoring your assumption that i felt all black metal should be primitive. i dont need to do anymore research pal, ive FORGOTTEN more black metal than youll ever hope to KNOW.
and for the record, taake's last 2 albums have completely sucked...and 1349 has NEVER been good.
NineFeetUnderground said:
Thats the funniest thing I have read today.
Taake is the best black metal band to come out of Norway since Emperor and Enslaved. Period
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NineFeetUnderground said:
In 2006, Black Metal *can* be raw, and it can also be technical. That is the difference now, it has *expanded* which you clearly have not.
Taake's last two albums are masterpieces as any Black Metal enthusiast knows, and 1349 are getting better with each release, now being recognised for the force they are capable of being.
You are SO out of the loop! For someone who claims to be open minded by listening to non-metal, you contradict yourself by implying you condemn anything which isnt first wave! When was the last time you properly investigated any of the post-first wave releases? Clearly you've listened to very little and yet post as though you've listened to everything.
Not only that but you obviously failed to read what I wrote properly - I mentioned Negura Bunget, Emperor's and Enslaved's later works for him to ease into - these are NOT raw. They are more refined and technical works (and they are fantastic at that).
Figure your story out and get back to us. You've made a real ass of yourself.
Benighted1 said:probably a silly question but what do you think of Dimmu Borgior?
particulary their earlier stuff? I remember seen one of their albums with a castle on the cover and someone on a horse and thinking what an awesome cover it was..
that album is For All Tid, their first album. i haven't listened to it all that much. their second album, Stormblast, is commonly considered to be their best. they rerecorded it last year. in some ways the original version is more effective, but the drums on the new version sound much better (courtesy of hellhammer).
the last two albums have a couple interesting songs that work well with orchestra, eg. progenies of the great apocalypse and blessings upon the throne of tyranny and sympozium. but it's sort of cartoonish, i believe. and other songs are weak for the most part.
i would try the other bands mentioned above before dimmu borgir.
Dimmu is another band to check out, they have certainly went beyond black metal. More like extreme symphonic metal these days, but still superb. I use to hate the later work, but then it change, I think its amazing now. Get past the fact that they are 'mainstream'. Still an amazing band.
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Ikil said:
yea, like taake has had SOOO much competition in norway in the last 5 years. but just for arguments sake...dodheimsgard absolutely obliterates taake's finest moments with their hands tied behind their backs.
BAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! uh no.
Yeah, Taake hasn't had much competition cause its all been crap. But hell, what they do is incredible and certainly matches and slays majority of the early black metal bands big time.
Yeah, Taake hasn't had much competition cause its all been crap. But hell, what they do is incredible and certainly matches and slays majority of the early black metal bands big time.
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The Hubster said:
you obviously havent been paying much attention to anything ive said on this forum for the last 4.5 years. what makes you think i havent expanded? how would you even begin to wrap your head around my knowledge in the first place to even observe this so called need for my "expansion"? the fact that i had heard and praised the likes of keep of kalessin, abigor, anaal nathrakh, nagelfar (not naglfar you queers), weakling, and many other non first wave forward thinking black metal bands who certainly do NOT follow the "rules" before you ever even would have known they exist? i really wouldnt overstep your ground here in assuming that i dont know what im talking about...as i said before, ive forgotten more bands than youll ever hope to know. please stfu before you further embarrass yourself. lets leave it at that.
1349's first album liberation seemed like a display of how fast they can play and the songs weren't amazing. the second album impoved on both the production and the songwriting to some extent. there was indeed solid fast paced black metal there. but hellfire has the song 'hellfire' on it, and that song really is excellent (except they make the intro and outro of the song a little long to make the song last 13:49, thus distracting to some extent). this song shows that 1349 are capable of crafting material that is way above average. the rest of the album has good moments, but that songs stands above the others, i think.
taake's first two albums get more spin from me than the last. the albums are all very melodic, and some of the melodies on over bjoergvin really blow my socks off. also i liked the more raw production on nattestid better than the production on doedskvad for instance. i would recommend taake to anyone who wants their black metal to be more melodic while retaining its harshness. it is of course no substitute for the sort of black metal that has continued the path that burzum treaded - i.e for the likes of leviathan, xasthur, nortt or abyssic hate. it has its own place.
by the way does anyone have any idea about what on earth u. hoest was thinking when using the 'boing' sound on part iii of over bjoergvin? that's just weird.
taake's first two albums get more spin from me than the last. the albums are all very melodic, and some of the melodies on over bjoergvin really blow my socks off. also i liked the more raw production on nattestid better than the production on doedskvad for instance. i would recommend taake to anyone who wants their black metal to be more melodic while retaining its harshness. it is of course no substitute for the sort of black metal that has continued the path that burzum treaded - i.e for the likes of leviathan, xasthur, nortt or abyssic hate. it has its own place.
by the way does anyone have any idea about what on earth u. hoest was thinking when using the 'boing' sound on part iii of over bjoergvin? that's just weird.
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Ikil said:
Taake's first album is on par with the early material of there, ill agree. the last 2 albums id definitely disagree with, and i certainly wont say ANY of it "slays" any of the greats of that time. Weakling however...does slay much of that early norwegian material. AND taake.
dodheimsgard's satanic art ep and 666 international album are superb but the first two albums don't really stand out. 666 international is just too different from other black metal (arcturus and ved buens ende are somewhat close). and that's partly why i adore it so much. now i prefer 666 international to any album by taake, but it doesn't make a good yardstick for much of black metal. among the ones NFU mentioned abigor makes for a better comparison for bands like taake. at least more than dodheimsgard.
i haven't listened to weakling. i will check out the one album that they have.
i haven't listened to weakling. i will check out the one album that they have.
Well, this Weakling, some of it is alright, but the vocals suck and most of the riffs are just boring. 10 minute songs like this? Are you kidding. If you think this has something on Taake, then gosh. Absurd. Very strange.
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