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Brian K
What? You definitely can.
Adding to the above discussion, the reason all master CDs are burnt using AIFF/WAV/FLAC are because those are lossless formats. MP3 is lossy. Even at 320kbps you still lose some quality.
Ever notice this about a lot of pro recordings?
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What? You definitely can.
Adding to the above discussion, the reason all master CDs are burnt using AIFF/WAV/FLAC are because those are lossless formats. MP3 is lossy. Even at 320kbps you still lose some quality.
Good God that was uncool. That could easily be classified under cruel and unusual punishment.
I'm also in the group that can hear muted tv's in the next room. Some CRT monitors bug the hell out of me too. I've also been able to hear those deals that are suppose to produce a frequency that only mice hear to deter them from places like the garage. I've tried checking my hearing and it doesn't seem to be anything special.
I don't see how something like that clip could have made it past mixing/mastering.
I guess it all depends on what you call "professional".
For example, Joey has worked with some victory records bands I believe, and while I would definitely say he is a professional, I wouldn't say he is incapable of making mistakes. When you guys say professional, i think like big time studio with hundreds of thousands of dollars sunk into it. And it was mastered by the same guy who recorded it.
You're totally right, my bad. I was confusing that with the fact that you can't have higher than 44.1 khz sampling rate on cds. Which everyone obviously knows.
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Fucked if I can hear enough difference between WAV and 320KBPS MP3 to warrant having loseless files on my computer. The difference between 192KBPS and lower is always astounding clear though
Yeah... that is why I thought otherwise. All my mp3s on my computer of major label recordings sound great. I don't think hearing a wave is going to make much of a difference.
Josh Burgess
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It's not. Most people would not be able to tell the difference between a good 320kbps mp3 rip and the original wavs.
Mp3s have a bad reputation because of lower quality bit rate rips, like 192kbps and below, as already mentioned. The worst being 128 and below... I think myspace and soundclick for example only use 96? or maybe 128? still, could sound much better.
At 320kbps though, I don't think think there is really any audible degradation...
Kazrog
Kazrog, Inc.
On good monitors or headphones you can hear the difference between 320kbps mp3 and lossless wav. Also, you can hear the difference between 16 bit and 24 bit, 44.1 khz, 48khz, and 96khz.
Seriously, on a good system, with the right program material (i.e. recordings that have actual dynamics), you can hear the differences. Listen to Pink Floyd's Dark Side Of The Moon lossless vs. mp3, it's always a great test.
If you're listening on typical PC speakers or iPod earbuds, you won't be able to discern these things, though, or at least to a far lesser degree.
Seriously, on a good system, with the right program material (i.e. recordings that have actual dynamics), you can hear the differences. Listen to Pink Floyd's Dark Side Of The Moon lossless vs. mp3, it's always a great test.
If you're listening on typical PC speakers or iPod earbuds, you won't be able to discern these things, though, or at least to a far lesser degree.
gabriel g.
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You never hear a wav or a aiff...
wav and aiff are PCM formats.
When you are mastering your 44.100 24bit files you should dither or noise-shape to colour the downrate (24bit=144dB headroom -> 16bit=96dB headroom) with white noise.
This gives you nicer sounding endings ouf sound-tales (like a guitar-string fading out) If you dont dither or noise-shape and turn up you Monitors at the end of a fade you hear digital artifacts. With dithering this artifacts arent noticable anymore because of the noisefloor...
wav and aiff are PCM formats.
When you are mastering your 44.100 24bit files you should dither or noise-shape to colour the downrate (24bit=144dB headroom -> 16bit=96dB headroom) with white noise.
This gives you nicer sounding endings ouf sound-tales (like a guitar-string fading out) If you dont dither or noise-shape and turn up you Monitors at the end of a fade you hear digital artifacts. With dithering this artifacts arent noticable anymore because of the noisefloor...
AudioGeekZine
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you guys need to stop saying "lossless wav"
FLAC is a lossless format
wav is not, it is just uncompressed, never been compressed.
MP3 is a lossy format, data is thrown away to reduce file size, FLAC changes the way the data is represented so that the file size is lower but there is absolutely no data lost.
you can compress a wav to FLAC and back a hundred times with no lost data. Each time you do it with mp3 you lose something.
CDs have 16 bit 44.1kHz wav or Aiff files on the disk with .cda markers.
when mastering start with the highest quality available (whatever the source files were) and let the mastering software (such as wavelab) do the conversion when it burns the disk.
FLAC is a lossless format
wav is not, it is just uncompressed, never been compressed.
MP3 is a lossy format, data is thrown away to reduce file size, FLAC changes the way the data is represented so that the file size is lower but there is absolutely no data lost.
you can compress a wav to FLAC and back a hundred times with no lost data. Each time you do it with mp3 you lose something.
CDs have 16 bit 44.1kHz wav or Aiff files on the disk with .cda markers.
when mastering start with the highest quality available (whatever the source files were) and let the mastering software (such as wavelab) do the conversion when it burns the disk.
slashvanyoung
Dopefish lives!
No, they haven't. If we're going to be nitpicky, then let's go all they way.
As I explained in a previous post, there are no wave or aiff files on a CD. Just the PCM data (streams) @ 44.1 kHz/16 bit with the markers indicating where the track limits are.
Now when you rip a CD, your program puts this PCM data in a container your OS can handle (wave, aiff etc.).
And a wave container, a .wav file, can very well contain compressed data, even MPEG 1 Layer III, otherwise known as mp3. Yes, in a .wav file.
This container format is not limited to raw PCM data.
AudioGeekZine
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