Ever notice this about a lot of pro recordings?

[Dalinkwent48@aim.com]

AGGGGHHHH you hear it too!!!! people think i'm nuts cause i can hear a muted tele from the next room!!

I hear it all the time I'll tell a friend that they have a tv on in the house and its muted and they always just look at me like im crazy

on topic: might be a stupid idea but what about running the TBS song through Izotope RX if anyone has it and isolating that sound to try and figure it out? Or maybe another program that can do the same thing?

 

[grimbolt]

I also noticed such weird things on some recordings.. but I don't remember on which...

But I only heard it when I listened to music in my car - so I always blamed the bad acoustics in my car..

 

[Seth Munson]

we talked about it with greg on AIM, here is a clip, it sounds more like tinnitus: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1338211/cute.wav

omg omg make it stop

sounds like a higher pitched tube TV being turned on.
my ears are bleeding now.. thanks guys..

 

[joshwheelermusic]

My guess is they boost the high end around 13 to 15k during mastering. With a combination of raising high frequencies of the cymbals and vocal sibilances, and applying compression and reverb, these commonly "inaudible" high-pitch noises will arise.

 

[CatharsisStudios]

All pro-recordings are in cda or mp3 when they're on a record...?

cds are wave

 

[Jormyn]

That's... fucking stupid. How would something like that make it past the mastering engineer's ears?

 

[lolzgreg]

cds are wave

I thought all mastering engineers convert the final mastered songs to 16 bit 44.1khz mp3 files?

 

[joshwheelermusic]

That's... fucking stupid. How would something like that make it past the mastering engineer's ears?

Apparently it did.

 

[slashvanyoung]

I thought all mastering engineers convert the final mastered songs to 16 bit 44.1khz mp3 files?

Mp3s? What? You're joking, right?

And no, CD's aren't wave. Wave, RIFF WAVE specifically, is Microsoft's and IBM's container format for PCM (pulse code modulated) audio data.

In Apple universe it's AIFF.

That's why you'll only find 44kb (.cda) files on an audio CD. They just indicate the starting and end points of the individual tracks which are PCM data @ 44.1 kHz/16 bit.

 

[lolzgreg]

Mp3s? What? You're joking, right?

And no, CD's aren't wave. Wave, RIFF WAVE specifically, is Microsoft's and IBM's container format for PCM (pulse code modulated) audio data.

In Apple universe it's AIFF.

That's why you'll only find 44kb (.cda) files on an audio CD. They just indicate the starting and end points of the individual tracks which are PCM data @ 44.1 kHz/16 bit.

I know nothing.

So what is the final format mastering engineers send their tracks out on?

 

[Morgan C]

16bit 44.1khz .wav or .aiff files I'd imagine.

I still can't hear that sound you guys are talkin about. I guess the year and a half of drumming with no protection took its toll :/

 

[slashvanyoung]

I know nothing.

So what is the final format mastering engineers send their tracks out on?

The mastering engineer will usually send out master CDs for duplication [which are burned to the final specs (track markers, gaps etc.) and standards (red book)].

He burns these CDs with the uncompressed data from the container files (wave or aiff files), using an authoring software (for example WaveLab... or even iTunes or any other software you can burn audio CDs with) which extracts the PCM data from the containers and puts it on the CD.

 

[lolzgreg]

The mastering engineer will usually send out master CDs for duplication [which are burned to the final specs (track markers, gaps etc.) and standards (red book)].

He burns these CDs with the uncompressed data from the container files (wave or aiff files), using an authoring software (for example WaveLab... or even iTunes or any other software you can burn audio CDs with) which extracts the PCM data from the containers and puts it on the CD.

So the only reason all of the professional songs that are on my computer are mp3s or m4as is because the rip from the program converts them to that?

 

[slashvanyoung]

So the only reason all of the professional songs that are on my computer are mp3s or m4as is because the rip from the program converts them to that?

Exactly!

 

[JeffTD]

So the only reason all of the professional songs that are on my computer are mp3s or m4as is because the rip from the program converts them to that?

Precisely.

 

[lolzgreg]

So let's say I'm doing the "mastering" myself. I just leave the files as 16 bit 44.1khz wavs? That doesn't allow me to imbed data though.

 

[Nauru]

One problem is that you guys are treating Tell All Your Friends like it's a pro album. It's not really. It was the album that made them popular, but when they were recording it, they really weren't that big. It was engineered by just some guys, who also mastered it. Normal AEs, like alot of the guys on this forum, who totally could have screwed up. It happens.

 

[egan.]

The shit on that sample posted by ahjteam posted is so loud I heard it through laptop speakers while watching TV. It's hard to imagine that it isn't intentional. Actually it just sounds like a synth to me...you can hear it change pitch in time if you listen closely. It's definitely unpleasant to listen to.

 

[Nauru]

So let's say I'm doing the "mastering" myself. I just leave the files as 16 bit 44.1khz wavs? That doesn't allow me to imbed data though.

You can't make cds with wav.

 

[joshwheelermusic]

One problem is that you guys are treating Tell All Your Friends like it's a pro album. It's not really. It was the album that made them popular, but when they were recording it, they really weren't that big. It was engineered by just some guys, who also mastered it. Normal AEs, like alot of the guys on this forum, who totally could have screwed up. It happens.

"Tell All Your Friends" was engineered by Tim Gilles and produced by Sal Vellanueva, both with fairly lengthy, professional, pre-Taking Back Sunday credits. It doesn't matter if they're "big" or not, at that point they were signed to Victory Records. And record companies can afford professional studio time.