If you don't care, it doesn't matter....I simply do not care to make life harder than it already is with such musings.....................
Evolution and Republicans.
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Here is a good site that explains evolution as a theory and a fact:
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/evolution-fact.html
There is plenty left to be determined about evolution, but it is generally regarded as a fact by most scientists. And by the way, I've read the entire Bible (not bragging) and if I have to believe the bible as truth or the scientists, I'll take the scientists. A lot more rational. A lot less dogmatic.
End communication.
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/evolution-fact.html
There is plenty left to be determined about evolution, but it is generally regarded as a fact by most scientists. And by the way, I've read the entire Bible (not bragging) and if I have to believe the bible as truth or the scientists, I'll take the scientists. A lot more rational. A lot less dogmatic.
End communication.
Ironically, the recipient of socialized medicine chooses to begin his sentence ridiculing Jurched with the word "god".
I think you're satirising the creationists and intelligent design mongers with this aren't you? You're not seriously. Please don't be serious
Jurched
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I am quite serious. Oh yes. I am satirising everyone who clings to a myth of origins, be they creationists seeking the First through Sixth days, or the atheists with their Cambrian and Pre-Cambrian periods.
Aptly named "Spirit Crusher" can mock me all he wants, but I stand firm against his idiocy. I do not require the conclusions of any paleontologist or cosmologist or archeobiologist in order to treat this spring's flu outbreak. (As it was, my doctor told me to "let my body deal with it.")
I am surrounded by scientists from various fields, and I hear endless stories about the funding struggle. Their colleagues and superior practically crawl around on their bellies like snakes in order to win another grant. I can only imagine what kind of blithering bullshit the evolution scientists must cook up to win their daily bread!
Jurched
Why would a paleontologist have anything to say about a cold?
It's ironic that your doctor told you that your body will deal with the virus. He told you that because your body has evolved (even at a cellular level) to become better at disposing of viruses
If you don't require the conclusions of paleontologists, cosmologists or archeobioligists (which provide evidence, though obviously not absolute) , why do you defend the conclusions of priests, canons and archbishops (which provide no evidence)?
You seem eager to get the pre-emptive strike in. What is it that unsettles you so? You're aggression towards evolutionary biologists is un-called for.
Jurched
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Why would a paleontologist have anything to say about a cold?
Why, indeed. Go back a couple of threads and retrace the overlapping misunderstandings that keep taking place. Anyway, the body fighting a cold is not evolution. Its a normal function and does alter the body in any form. Find some good examples before you shovel it out like horse manure, ok?
And what's YOUR issue? I clearly support nobody. Neither scientists nor clergy. I am the "Origins is Useless" supporter.
If I am hostile to anyone, its the scientist-worshippers, of whom you appear to be one! Scientists are just people, not gods, and not beyond corruption.
JUST for example, I like to compare the current man-made global warming swindle to eugenics in Nazi Germany.
I mean, think about it for a moment: how were scientists portrayed in movies, cartoons, and television in the 1950s and 1960s? As stuffy little professors with deep German accents. Because Germans were the best scientists! The best physicists, rocket scientists, chemists, psychologists, and engineers were Germans.
And yet, what did all these brilliant minds do in the 1930s and 1940s? Except for the Jews who fled, the rest stayed in Nazi Germany and sold themselves completely to the ridiculous and already disproven eugenics, phrenology, and racial sciences. Even the astronomers and astrophysicists propagated the stupidity of Hans Hoerbiger's Fire-Ice theories of cosmology. These intellectuals knew what they were doing was scientifically baseless and even moronic, but it was all because the Nazi philosophy demanded it. So they sold themselves to the devil to get the grant money.
And that's just what today's scientists are doing. The global warming fiasco is today's version of the Nazi's eugenics: intellectual men who have solid evidence against the theory in their possession, but for reasons of reputation and influence, go along with the regime's stupidity.
Global warming is the worst, but many smaller fiascos occur on a daily basis, and it always has to do with the scientist selling himself like a whore to his peers for money and reputation.
Hey, I don't blame them! Scientists need Porsches, too! But it doesn't mean I have to swallow their theoretical bullshit like its honey.
You can, if you want. Be my guest. Just don't get all bent out of shape and frustrated just because I refuse to agree with you.
Jurched
Why, indeed. Go back a couple of threads and retrace the overlapping misunderstandings that keep taking place. Anyway, the body fighting a cold is not evolution. Its a normal function and does alter the body in any form. Find some good examples before you shovel it out like horse manure, ok?
And what's YOUR issue? I clearly support nobody. Neither scientists nor clergy. I am the "Origins is Useless" supporter.
If I am hostile to anyone, its the scientist-worshippers, of whom you appear to be one! Scientists are just people, not gods, and not beyond corruption.
JUST for example, I like to compare the current man-made global warming swindle to eugenics in Nazi Germany.
I mean, think about it for a moment: how were scientists portrayed in movies, cartoons, and television in the 1950s and 1960s? As stuffy little professors with deep German accents. Because Germans were the best scientists! The best physicists, rocket scientists, chemists, psychologists, and engineers were Germans.
And yet, what did all these brilliant minds do in the 1930s and 1940s? Except for the Jews who fled, the rest stayed in Nazi Germany and sold themselves completely to the ridiculous and already disproven eugenics, phrenology, and racial sciences. Even the astronomers and astrophysicists propagated the stupidity of Hans Hoerbiger's Fire-Ice theories of cosmology. These intellectuals knew what they were doing was scientifically baseless and even moronic, but it was all because the Nazi philosophy demanded it. So they sold themselves to the devil to get the grant money.
And that's just what today's scientists are doing. The global warming fiasco is today's version of the Nazi's eugenics: intellectual men who have solid evidence against the theory in their possession, but for reasons of reputation and influence, go along with the regime's stupidity.
Global warming is the worst, but many smaller fiascos occur on a daily basis, and it always has to do with the scientist selling himself like a whore to his peers for money and reputation.
Hey, I don't blame them! Scientists need Porsches, too! But it doesn't mean I have to swallow their theoretical bullshit like its honey.
You can, if you want. Be my guest. Just don't get all bent out of shape and frustrated just because I refuse to agree with you.
Jurched
Yes yes, I'm sure. But I'm quite certain that a person from our day and age (that has not been given a flu vaccine) would fare better against a virus or bacteria than someone from say, the 15th century. Because evolution is not all about physical attributes.
My issue is that in face of unfathomable evidence you can still remain neutral. I mean, if you were a fool-hardy creationist I would respect you more, because you would know no better :Smug:
Of course scientists are people. It's not so much worship as massive respect I give them (and I only give it to a select few). I'm not saying you are a hostile person (you're probably a very nice person when not defending your ideals or lack of them) but your hostility towards the scientific community betrays your neutrality
I think I'll state just now for the record that I'm not a real fan of chemistry or physics (maths also) and I don't condone the contributions of scientists to atomic warfare and whatnot. I'm interested in biology and that's why I'm arguing the evolutionary question. How many biologists (besides Japanese vivisectionists, if biologists they were) have contributed to warfare or have done anything negative to the world except for unsettling the masses following blind faith
Of course there were some real evil fuckers floating about in the scientific community in the last century or so but there's been evil fuckers everywhere. Especially in the clergy.
Well why don't you do something productive? Contibute to the problem by inventing some plausible theories instead of moaning about how idiotic and corrupt everyone is. We already know. Kthxbi
Anyway, I'm not trying to pour bullshit with essence of honey down your throat, and I'm not bent out of shape. I enjoyed writing this. It helps me get my mind straight. I bet you enjoy this too
Jurched
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Evidence aplenty (though I wouldn't use viruses as evidence, since they're not living organisms). I insist origins is useless field of study except to further secularism. Which is why I have a problem with it: secular government grant money furthering essentially religious studies. Excuse me if I'm exasperated by the hypocrisy of it all.
That's all right. If I had to live off of others' respect, I would have starved to death long ago. Instead, I EVOLVED into a higher life form that thrives on contempt.
Oh come on! Don't try to cut off the thread with THAT old argument! Online forums are made for complainers who are powerless to change anything. Believe me, there are far more corrupt areas of society and government that need to be purged and cleansed before the hallowed scientific community, but that doesn't mean their problems should be ignored. And I'm not sure everyone knows about it, either.
Anyway, I'm not trying to pour bullshit with essence of honey down your throat, and I'm not bent out of shape. I enjoyed writing this. It helps me get my mind straight. I bet you enjoy this too
I'm loving every second of it...
Jurched
I wasn't using the viruses as an example. I was using the adaptability of the human immune system as an example.
I know what you mean about the hypocrisy of supposed secularised governments. I mean, you have a go at someone's family or friends or children, but OMG if you even think about having a go at their religion you've been given a fucking death sentence (like the Danish journalists that printed the cartoon of Mohammed). Religious extremists should not be tolerated.
I see what you did there
Haha, I wasn't trying to cut of the thread dear chum. However, the controversial element to your ideals was eventually going to make someone say that
But I think we were straying off the subject here. If you want to add some more wacky arguments, feel free
Haha.
Scientists can be sure of the age of the planet Earth by doing all that carbon dating, half-life stuff. Not a big chemistry fan myself.
Their concept of evolution will change. We haven't got much to go on at this moment in time but in no way is the evolutionary theory complete, despite the evidence it has already presented.
Jurched
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Bad example. Adaptability is not evidence of evolution, either. My body adapts to fight future viruses but it doesn't my radically alter DNA in such a way as to alter my offspring beyond something entirely human. I mean, my kids get just as sick as I did when I was young, and even more so, it seems. They didn't pick up any immunity from me. Of course, even if they did, it would still be a matter of heredity, not evolution.
Why not? Aren't they free people like the rest of us? I don't care if there are other people who think they're right and believe they should force their way of life on the rest of us. If they commit a crime in the process, then they shall face justice for it. If not, then perhaps they're strong beliefs will convince the public and the lawmakers to make laws that favour their "extremist" view. If that happens, then that's merely our Social Evolution. Its happening right now with the gay extremists, the secular extremists, the enviro-extremists, and the pro-poverty extremists, so you won't find me complaining about Islamic extremists who want sharia law!
I'd prefer to keep science as a school subject and an industry, otherwise it just becomes a sad philosophy for the lost and the depressed.
American kids are completely incapable of pursuing scientific careers owing to a total lack of useful knowledge, but they know everything about string theory, tyrannosaurus bite radii, and polar bears being stranded on ice floes thanks to SUV emissions. Science has been relegated to a warm, sloggy philosophy which is mystical and inexplicable to the masses, thanks to the poor scientific education they receive.
But I think we were straying off the subject here. If you want to add some more wacky arguments, feel free
Thanks. You'll forgive me if I admit I don't feel particularly wacky making these arguments. I feel HAPPY, but not wacky!
Jurched
Our social evolution in this country sucks the balls. Everybody has some over simplified thought on any topic that they preach as common sense. It's going to take more than common sense to unfuck this country.
I had to listen to some lady at work talk about how great it would be to up the minimum wage like there would be no long term effect of that.
I had to listen to some lady at work talk about how great it would be to up the minimum wage like there would be no long term effect of that.
Okay, I concede, that was a bad example. The point behind that part anyway (despite some paraphrasing) was to imply that in no way is evolution all phenotypical. Natural selection is a very very slow process!
If the history of life on earth were to be displayed in a 24 clock format, (starting at midnight) prokaryotic life-forms would have existed at around 2:00, reptiles at about 20:00 and humans at around 23:51
Or so they sayHaha what a ridiculous oxymoron.
You would let religious extremists do as they please, but if science makes one wrong move, ooooh deep turd. My opinion is that people shouldn't be brought up to condone enemity. By trying to force religion upon others, they are breaching human rights laws (but of course, it's only because society at large agrees to these rights
). Imagine being hung froma crane for consuming alcohol...imagine being burnt alive for being suspected of witchcraft I live in Belfast. A little trip to the wikipedia factory should give a low-down on the stimuli behind my intolerance of religious extremists
Wow good one. Many people enjoy science as a pleasurable thing to do. I can't wait to start my anatomy course. You can't imagine what you're missing because of your inability to believe that we evolved from monkeys etc.
Science has been made very exclusive, I agree. But if the creationists stopped trying to poke their noses into every science class in America, maybe people would have a better knowledge of what they are being deprived of.
Why not? I doubt the meaning or origin of life will be found in my lifetime. I also doubt it would harm anyone. People would still have their religion, just with spine crushing evidence discrediting it. I would simply like to know
Incidentally, back to square one (that I actually overlooked!). Why can't republicans believe that they are the product of evolution and that the world is actually 4500 million years old???
I bet you don't feel wacky at all. Go have a beer, you deserve it
Jurched
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Its not as ridiculous as you imagine. I merely offer the same latitudes to the religious extremists as the secular scientists: obey the law. Change it if you can, complain about it all you want, but obey. It holds as good for Richard Dawkins as an Imam in North London.
Not enough people enjoy science as a hobby, according to Bill Nye "the Science Guy" in a mailer I receive last week!
Good luck with anatomy. I enjoyed sawing the fetus pig in half back in high school, but I was stumped by the specific terms for the all the chemical-hormonal functions going on. Biology is not my thing!
Oh please. "Inability" now, as though I was in some sort of accident and I'm crippled. That's a refreshing way to look at my stubbornness! I choose not to believe, thank you.
Chimps and humans may share 99 percent of DNA but the goddamned horse is more likely to pick up a stick to scratch its stomach, whereas the Chimp will become frustrated and bite off its neighbour's fingers. I can't imagine what our "common ancestor" monkeys are capable of!
Point being: I see no reason for tracing human origins, and see no connection between us and the retarded alien species with which we're supposedly cousins. Its degrading and highly offensive to my superiority complex!
That argument would be worthwhile IF the creationists actually did poke their noses. So far, its a television debate in the American deep south.
Meanwhile, in the Northeast and West Coast, where a creationist has no chance of survival and evolution reigns supreme, school grades continue to plummet and science is the rock bottom course in failing scores. Bravo! Teaching our bright young children the secular myth of origins has really inspired them to pick up the microscope and petrie dish...
Why not? I doubt the meaning or origin of life will be found in my lifetime. I also doubt it would harm anyone. People would still have their religion, just with spine crushing evidence discrediting it. I would simply like to know
Perhaps because there is a colossal chasm in your life that needs to be filled with something, anything? (Excuse my judgmentalisms)
Good question. I'll have to examine the party platform and see if a valid reason is llisted there. (Excuse my sarcasm)
I bet you don't feel wacky at all. Go have a beer, you deserve it
Make it Kindzmarauli, and you've got a good idea!
Jurched
Did you just make a comparison between scientists trying to further stem cell research and developing human/bovine embryos to enhance our medical knowledge of diseases such as alzheimers to religious extremists, who blow up buildings, wage war, commit sincere atrocities and essentially try to catagorize females as inferior?
Becuase that seems to me what you mean in the underlined text above.
Biology is fascinating. Terribly difficult too. I was struggling up until about a month ago but now everyting has fallen into place. Osmoregulation, loop of henle, moss and ferns, transfer RNA, electron transport chain, vena cava, vaso-dilation, you can all suck my ass!
Haha, since when has anyone called a disabled person an "inabled" person
You're offended for real? Or is that your biting wit at work again?
Seriously though, the truth makes it all that more wonderful. That we evolved from primitive beings to have such magnificent brain-power. Admittedly it seems unbelievable, but for the evidence. Appreciation of scientific achievements is half way to enjoyment.
I doubt holding a small tiny container in your palm is going to make you take interest in science.It must be something about the American way of life then. Some national attitude towards science or something.
But it's pretty much like that everywhere in the world (except Japan). We seem to have all been affected by a global attitude, where the common perception is that science is for the smart people, and the less intelectually gifted (or lazy) choose to do manual labour or office work. That of course is not my own opinion, I think that if anyone tries to accomplish something and they're deadly interested and appreciative of it then they can. I go to an Irish language secondary school and I'm the only one in the entire college doing biology at a higher level (A level)
There's another girl doing physics a year below me, but asides from that, there are no other scientifically minded people. It's pretty down-heartening when you think about it but it's pretty much one to one tutoring so it's better for me. Don't sweat it I could say the same for you. However the chasm in my life has already been temporarily filled by playing music (or something close to it) and surfing the web for good honest pr0n.
Haha, that made me genuinely chuckle. I only thought we should perhaps revert back to the subject of the thread. But yeah, there's only so much you can say about republicans without resorting to vulgar terminology.
God I wish I could have a beer now too but must make an early rise tomorrow and I tend to over-indulge
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