Experiencing 'Pale Horse' in Correct Order for first time...

BrandonS

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Hey. I admit I had downloaded the CD, but the good news is, I loved it enough to buy it. The odd news is, the order of the tracks in the downloaded version were labeled wrong, so the songs are all in a different order. The first song, 'Pale Haunt Departure', was actually "Autumn Reflection".... and I suppose that means the rest of them were screwed up too, pretty much. My favorite song was "In The Absence of Grace" BUT even that was labeled wrong. I think that one was actually "Swallowed By The Moon" on the real CD. So I am all screwed up here. I guess it displays the troubles of pirating music. It's awesome to hear it in the correct order though. I hadn't really heard the first song as much because it must have been way at the end. What are your thoughts on this subject?
 
Oinkness said:
Hey. I admit I had downloaded the CD, but the good news is, I loved it enough to buy it. The odd news is, the order of the tracks in the downloaded version were labeled wrong, so the songs are all in a different order. The first song, 'Pale Haunt Departure', was actually "Autumn Reflection".... and I suppose that means the rest of them were screwed up too, pretty much. My favorite song was "In The Absence of Grace" BUT even that was labeled wrong. I think that one was actually "Swallowed By The Moon" on the real CD. So I am all screwed up here. I guess it displays the troubles of pirating music. It's awesome to hear it in the correct order though. I hadn't really heard the first song as much because it must have been way at the end. What are your thoughts on this subject?

What the fuck is Pale Horse? I know we have no child left behind in the public school system, but come on now.
 
Oinkness said:
Hey. I admit I had downloaded the CD, but the good news is, I loved it enough to buy it. The odd news is, the order of the tracks in the downloaded version were labeled wrong, so the songs are all in a different order. The first song, 'Pale Haunt Departure', was actually "Autumn Reflection".... and I suppose that means the rest of them were screwed up too, pretty much. My favorite song was "In The Absence of Grace" BUT even that was labeled wrong. I think that one was actually "Swallowed By The Moon" on the real CD. So I am all screwed up here. I guess it displays the troubles of pirating music. It's awesome to hear it in the correct order though. I hadn't really heard the first song as much because it must have been way at the end. What are your thoughts on this subject?


Well my thoughts are pretty much summed up in what you said, "...I guess it displays the troubles of pirating music." When you're not getting something directly from the band or label, as it's meant to be, then you run the risk of getting inferior or incorrect product. Plus, we put alot of time and thought into the running order of songs on our cds, we want people to hear those songs in that order when listening to the album as a whole. So yeah, it's disheartening to know that people are not only downloading our stuff for free, but hearing it all mixed up and incorrect too. But unfortunately, there's nothing we can do about it.
 
Awww :(

Pale Horse Departure sounds much cuter though. Pale Haunt is a scary title. I think Jasonic sorta got the point, except in his words the horse dies, which is kinda sad. :(
 
Oinkness said:
Hey. I admit I had downloaded the CD, but the good news is, I loved it enough to buy it. The odd news is, the order of the tracks in the downloaded version were labeled wrong, so the songs are all in a different order. The first song, 'Pale Haunt Departure', was actually "Autumn Reflection".... and I suppose that means the rest of them were screwed up too, pretty much. My favorite song was "In The Absence of Grace" BUT even that was labeled wrong. I think that one was actually "Swallowed By The Moon" on the real CD. So I am all screwed up here. I guess it displays the troubles of pirating music. It's awesome to hear it in the correct order though. I hadn't really heard the first song as much because it must have been way at the end. What are your thoughts on this subject?

Thoughts on which subject? The subject that you openly admit to stealing our music on our own forum? The subject that you love it enough to buy it, but not enough to get to the end of the disc to hear all the songs? The subject of track confusion because someone uploaded it with the wrong order, which sounds to me like it was in alphabetical? The 'Pale Horse?'

Where do we start? :err:
 
Yeah those are the same files that I downloaded around... february 2005 ? before I received my preordered copy of Pale Haunt with the evil poster :heh:

It was a total confusion in my mp3, I thought : "wow, the Pale Haunt Departure is such a beautiful song". Jeee, it was Autumn Reflection :p

And yes, I download music even with my favorite bands but I have a large metal collection so I don't feel bad about it. I don't need anyone to tell me that I don't support metal because I'm clever enough to know I do.
But yeah, the official forum is not the best place :oops:
 
Septembers Marc said:
How is it possible that some music is on the internet even before the official ceedee is for sale? Are it those journalists that recieve copies or samplers before the actual ceedee hits the road or is it someone in the studio making illegal copies or something? I don't get it.

all it takes is for someone who has a promo copy to put it out there.
 
Oinkness said:
Hey. I admit I had downloaded the CD, but the good news is, I loved it enough to buy it.

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Oikness said:
I hadn't really heard the first song as much because it must have been way at the end. What are your thoughts on this subject?

As Paul mentioned, how did you love so much the album without listening to all the songs?:loco:
 
Oinkness said:
Awww :(

Pale Horse Departure sounds much cuter though. Pale Haunt is a scary title. I think Jasonic sorta got the point, except in his words the horse dies, which is kinda sad. :(

Sorry...
I really do like horses, you see.
You must believe me.
I am actually going to start a band,
JASONIC AND THE EQUESTRIANS!
 
the_drip said:
OINK STRIKES AGAIN!
Ahh thank you, it's been way too long since I made a ridiculous statement like that. I've been all bottled up, and yes, horsies are cute. So there. :)

Oinkness said:
I hadn't really heard the first song as much because it must have been way at the end.

I've heard it, just not as much as the earlier ones! That's all gonna change now that I've got the CD in the right order, so chill out! :lol:

I guess I should apologize for downloading the CD, but I really hadn't heard or known much about the band at the time and I really never have much of a surplus of funds to buy lots of CDs. I ordered a few CDs on September 21st for my Sept. 28th birthday and they didn't even come in until yesterday.. Oct. 10th. I've had fans who I sent free CDs to and they ended up being the best fans ever, always keeping in touch and listening to the music and stuff... There are those who spend the $3 and think "well I paid my dues" and they go on their way and don't talk or anything, it's pretty odd. I'd rather have the fans who hear it and keep in touch than the ones who pay for it, probably listen occasionally or not at all and just keep it on their shelves and never keepin touch. I didn't mean to upset anyone... :(
 
Well I'm personally not upset at you or anything, honestly. Y'know, one thing I want to make clear to everyone is that we DO really appreciate the interest people show towards us and our music, in any way. Yes it is flattering to know that people enjoy our music enough to download it and listen to it alot, even if they didn't pay for it. It's just that people have to understand that we cannont really advocate and justify downloading when it's done illegally and takes away potential profits that we can use towards making a better album, new t-shirts, music video, playing in your town, etc. We've been through all this before and I've spoken at great length about it. I think it's nice that someone downloaded some stuff of ours and liked us enough to go buy the cd. It's the reason why we have free tracks to download on our website, on myspace, on sampler cds, and so on. We gave away hundreds of free compilation cds when we toured in 2004, that we paid for out of our own pockets (special mention towards Mike Lagros our old bassist for really making that possible too, kudos to him). There've been plenty of times that we've sent free shirts or cds to fans through the mail over the years, just for showing that extra bit of support towards us. Anyone that knows really knows us, knows that we're not a greedy band. It's just that this is a tough business to keep afloat in, and as our overhead costs are soaring higher and higher as time goes by, people are willing to pay less and less for what we do. So, sorry, illegal downloading is just a touchy subject for us. Add to it that it adds confusion such as the whole mislabeled songs and screwed up song order, and it just irritates us that much more, haha.

To answer the query about how cds get leaked so early, yes it is most often due to someone uploading a promo copy of an album, usually someone at a magazine or website who received it early for reviewing purposes. That's why alot of promos now come edited in a way that the songs are interrupted by a repeating message or "tone", so that you can still get an idea and feel for the music, but it's not the 100% clear and perfect version you'd get if you bought it, so that people might be a bit more apt to purchasing it when it comes out even if they'd already downloaded the promo. But not all bands and labels use this edited promo process.

Ah, well, put it this way....I'm a huge Cameron Crowe fan. If I was able to get a dvd of his new movie a month before it came out, I'd probably be pretty tempted to check it out. But I would probably never tell him directly that I did it, because it just seems kinda impolite haha
 
Oinkness said:
for my Sept. 28th birthday

Some useless but possible interesting information: my Dad AND my 5-year old daughter Melody both also have birthdays on 9/28. Seems we're starting to build a family tradition of getting together for a combined birthday celebration each year.

I now return you to the actual musical discussion.

Ken
 
Ah cool, I share a birthday with my cousin, Hillary Duff, and Confucious, so we try to get togeth.... wait... no we don't! :) I wish.

NvmbrsDoom5, you make some real good points. Mind if I ask your name before we continue? Hehe, just curious. You said you were the guitar player but there's probably two of them in ND right? Just wondering who you are... :) If you guys would print up a 4XL T-Shirt of ND I would definitely buy it and wear it all the time. I like my clothes to be pretty comfortable and most bands don't go up to 4XL. The only band shirts I've ever got were two XL Opeth shirts last year or even earlier as I don't recall, and they basically fit me like a glove at 2XL. Not very comfortable! I don't mean a loose glove, I mean like an exact fit around my skin. I like the clothes to sort of hang off of me instead of being strapped, haha.... Well if you guys sell 4X or even 3X let me know and of course I will buy one! You make more money from T-Shirt sales than CDs don't you? I would still respect you guys if you were a tiny bit greedy, look at the people who aren't greedy at all and where they ended up. Jesus? Dead. Santa? Dead. I tried to think of other examples but I'm really not so keen on history.

I'll have to check out your site, I don't know what all the merchandise other than CDs is that you offer....
 
I have two goals for you Oink, I beleive they will help you out with life in general.

1. Think about what you're saying, even if it is on the internet, these people are real human beings and you really don't want to come off moronic to the entire world.

2. Lose some weight, or you're going to die.