Frontiers

[_Gentleman of_the Snow_]

I don't want to come off as a moron. Technically, we do not deserve to hear the song. We did not pay for it, so obviously, it's not ours to hear. It'd be like buying a slice of pizza, and expecting to get a free drink, because you were nice enough to buy the pizza in the first place. Having to buy The Odyssey all over again, however, is definitely not a GOOD cure for this problem, but it's the only cure at this time.

 

[urinalcakemix]

I think you should just get banned for another week...

I think so too.

 

[Horus]

Is everybody referring to me? Because I rerally don't want to get banned. I never meant to hurt anybody by having the song while I didn't buy the Japanese Bonus edition. And I apologize to anyone who I may have hurt.

 

[Snowmaker]

It should be offered in the store as a downloadable mp3 for a few bucks.

 

[RequiemX]

Or I/O could get them on iTMS and offer it there.

 

[kazahana]

It should be offered in the store as a downloadable mp3 for a few bucks.

Or I/O could get them on iTMS and offer it there.

I think both of these ideas would be great, or the formerly suggested idea of putting it on a bonus disc of some sort, but remember the point of the bonus track being added to a CD was to boost Japanese domestic CD sales, so making it available in places other than Japan nullifies the point of having it in the first place...

Maybe you think that sucks. I know it's not convenient for me to import; I'd rather be able to go to my local CD store and pick it up there. But then I don't dictate how the labels work, or how the Japanese population buys CDs.

 

[Horus]

I know it's probably the record company's decision, but didn't Symphony X first become popular in JAPAN? I know that there might be a few people in Japan who still haven't seen the Light of X, but proportionately, there really are much less people in America who know X than in Japan.
This isnt supposed to have anything to do with the previous issue. I don't want to get that issue started again. I'm just saying that maybe, for once, America should be the country getting the bonus tracks.

 

[kazahana]

I know it's probably the record company's decision, but didn't Symphony X first become popular in JAPAN? I know that there might be a few people in Japan who still haven't seen the Light of X, but proportionately, there really are much less people in America who know X than in Japan.
This isnt supposed to have anything to do with the previous issue. I don't want to get that issue started again. I'm just saying that maybe, for once, America should be the country getting the bonus tracks.

And what of Europe?

I assume the logic of the bonus track is to convince them to buy something they were already intending to buy in a certain place, and not to attract new listeners. I know I wouldn't buy a CD from a band I hadn't heard of on the basis that it had an extra track, whereas that would make the difference if I were choosing to import it or buy it at home.

 

[Horus]

Touche, Kazahana.

But if you have fans, wouldn't your fans already be buying your album anyway? I understand what you're coming from, but I can't see anybody saying "Oh. Symphony X's new album just came out, but I'll wait until they release the bonus tracks." If somebody ever actually did say that, how could they be completely certain that they'll have bonus tracks, unless they have the gift of Foresight?

 

[proulxski]

"increase Domestic sales in Japan" well they've allready increased it, if they release a bonus Albums with just the Bonus tracks to only North America, we wouldn't be taking anything from the Japenese Domesticsms (I know its not a word lol) Make it available to us only or everyone! Point is, this songs should at some point become available to us without having to buy 3 copies of one disc...Especially since each CD gets inreasingly more expensive!

 

[kazahana]

But if you have fans, wouldn't your fans already be buying your album anyway?

Yes, that was my point. It's not whether they'd be buying it or not, but where they're buying it from: I suppose the Japanese music industry wants the CDs to be manufactured and sold in Japan for whatever reason.

I understand what you're coming from, but I can't see anybody saying "Oh. Symphony X's new album just came out, but I'll wait until they release the bonus tracks." If somebody ever actually did say that, how could they be completely certain that they'll have bonus tracks, unless they have the gift of Foresight?

The band/label are more than likely to say in advance what the tracklist will be, including bonus tracks if applicable. In addition, releases seem to be fairly simultaneous around the world or at most separated by a month. I'd be prepared to wait that amount of time.

Forget foresight, you need to be born with second sight.

 

[Horus]

"increase Domestic sales in Japan" well they've allready increased it, if they release a bonus Albums with just the Bonus tracks to only North America, we wouldn't be taking anything from the Japenese Domesticsms (I know its not a word lol) Make it available to us only or everyone! Point is, this songs should at some point become available to us without having to buy 3 copies of one disc...Especially since each CD gets inreasingly more expensive!

Kind of like how Irom Maiden released an album of all their bonus tracks and stuff.

 

[proulxski]

precisely!!!

 

[Dark Lucidity]

this song sounds like something of TiO.

EDIT: With better drumming

 

[kazahana]

"increase Domestic sales in Japan" well they've allready increased it,

ok, replace "increase" with "increase and maintain."

if they release a bonus Albums with just the Bonus tracks to only North America, we wouldn't be taking anything from the Japenese Domesticsms (I know its not a word lol)

You're getting the emphasis all wrong - it isn't about taking from or giving to the fans, it's about CD sales, markets and incentives. This is the label we're talking about, even if Symphony X are the most benevolent fan-loving band in the world.

Make it available to us only or everyone! Point is, this songs should at some point become available to us without having to buy 3 copies of one disc...Especially since each CD gets inreasingly more expensive!

There is no reason why the song should become available to everyone. I have presented the argument as rationally as I can, and if that doesn't convince you then you're not looking on it objectively. Forget being a fan for a second, and think of it as though you were in charge of a record company trying to optimise your profits.


If you really want to get the bonus tracks on North American releases then the easy way to do it is to increase the demand for metal music, increase the price of CDs domestically and lower the price of import CDs.

 

[Horus]

Okay. Now, I concede. We were arguing the same argument, but from different angles of the spectrum. If you'd said from the beginning to think economically, I would've understood you, but you didn't, and we've been arguing in vain. Irony sucks.

 

[kazahana]

Okay. Now, I concede. We were arguing the same argument, but from different angles of the spectrum. If you'd said from the beginning to think economically, I would've understood you, but you didn't, and we've been arguing in vain. Irony sucks.

er... I'm fairly sure I've been arguing the label/incentive thing from the outset, although I personally would love to see a CD of bonuses, or the ability to download the track from the site.

page 1:

The point of Japanese bonus tracks is to give the Japanese an incentive not to import, as CDs are expensive over there. If you could get the bonus tracks somewhere other than Japan, what incentive would there be for Japanese people to not import them?

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CDs are more expensive in Japan
+ it is cheaper for Japanese people to import CDs
+ labels in Japan want to keep sales up for domestic CDs
+ bonus tracks are an incentive to buy that album

= putting bonus tracks on Japanese CDs only, increases domestic sales

 

[Horus]

Shit. Now I feel stupid.

 

[kazahana]

Shit. Now I feel stupid.

Haha don't. I'm just a tenacious pedant. I should let things drop

What was this thread about again?

 

[Snowmaker]

I think both of these ideas would be great, or the formerly suggested idea of putting it on a bonus disc of some sort, but remember the point of the bonus track being added to a CD was to boost Japanese domestic CD sales, so making it available in places other than Japan nullifies the point of having it in the first place....

Yeah, but Japanese Bonus Tracks end up available in the US sooner or later. Take Metallica's So What for example. It was the bonus track for the Japanese black album, then it was released later in the US as a B-side, then again on Garage Inc.