Game of Thrones
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So far the only casting I havent been pleased with is Rob/Jon/Cersei/Arya.
Robert Baratheon might be the most perfectly casted character. Exactly as imagined.
Robert Baratheon might be the most perfectly casted character. Exactly as imagined.
Dinklage is going to own that role; I thought he did damn well in the sections of the show I've seen. I also liked Arya quite a bit from what I saw.
The kid playing Joffrey looks like a total douchebag, so that was a good call. And Jason as Drogo looks badass. Cersei, I am torn, but I think it could be way worse.
Varys and Littlefinger though are absolutely perfect.
The kid playing Joffrey looks like a total douchebag, so that was a good call. And Jason as Drogo looks badass. Cersei, I am torn, but I think it could be way worse.
Varys and Littlefinger though are absolutely perfect.
Einherjar86
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For some reason I've always imagined Toby Jones's face for Tyrion:
I think Dinklage will be great though.
I think Dinklage will be great though.
The books describe Tyrion as being pretty physically deformed...Dinklage, aside from being really short, is kinda handsome. I mean, yeah it's TV, but Tyrion's ugliness is an important part of his character.
I'm not positive about the age, but it's mentioned that he was an infant shortly - a few years or so - before Rhaegar and Elia were married, which in turn was a few years before Baratheon's uprising - it's mentioned that Elia's daughter was a few years old when Lorche killed her - which presumably was the war during which Jon Snow was fathered. Tyrion can't have been more than maybe 8 at the time and Jon Snow and Rob Stark are like 14-15 at the beginning of the series, meaning he must be in his mid-twenties or thereabouts. Dinklage is 41...
Ah well, they can work wonders with make-up and Tyrion's character always seemed like he must be around 30 even though chronologically that seems unlikely.
I'm not positive about the age, but it's mentioned that he was an infant shortly - a few years or so - before Rhaegar and Elia were married, which in turn was a few years before Baratheon's uprising - it's mentioned that Elia's daughter was a few years old when Lorche killed her - which presumably was the war during which Jon Snow was fathered. Tyrion can't have been more than maybe 8 at the time and Jon Snow and Rob Stark are like 14-15 at the beginning of the series, meaning he must be in his mid-twenties or thereabouts. Dinklage is 41...
Ah well, they can work wonders with make-up and Tyrion's character always seemed like he must be around 30 even though chronologically that seems unlikely.
As far as I know they aged the characters a bit. I'm fine with that, and Martin was happy because he admitted that the Starks and Danny were too damn young.
I hope the show gets far enough for Tyrion to enter the war (then his face will really be mangled). I also want to see strong Belwas blast a Duke on some defeated champions chest. That shit will be hilarious.
I hope the show gets far enough for Tyrion to enter the war (then his face will really be mangled). I also want to see strong Belwas blast a Duke on some defeated champions chest. That shit will be hilarious.
I dig aging some of the characters, but the youthfulness of the Stark children is quite significant to their characters - Rob having to grow up fast and become a king, Jon having to get over himself and find his place in the world. Although both seem absurdly mature for their age in the books, so I guess aging them a bit is okay. As far as I can tell they aged Daenerys a good deal, probably because it seems objectionable to have a huge burly man railing a 13 year old. I'm alright with aging her a bit as well - again, some of the stuff she does seems kinda weird for a 13 year old to be doing - but it seems like they overdid it.
I just hope they get the lesbian scenes right. And by "right" I mean very, very wrong. I want boobies, HBO. Don't disappoint me.
I just hope they get the lesbian scenes right. And by "right" I mean very, very wrong. I want boobies, HBO. Don't disappoint me.
Yeah Strong Belwas will be a fun side character.
As far as the ages go, the Stark Children I think were done perfectly in the books. It has only been in the last couple hundred years that childhood has been extended into the late teens and beyond. The same goes for Dany.
The problem for TV is, due to our current culture, it offends those "divine sensabilities" Dodens mentions.
As far as the ages go, the Stark Children I think were done perfectly in the books. It has only been in the last couple hundred years that childhood has been extended into the late teens and beyond. The same goes for Dany.
The problem for TV is, due to our current culture, it offends those "divine sensabilities" Dodens mentions.
True, they would have been considered near-adults back then, but simply from a developmental standpoint a 13 year old does not have the cognitive ability to do the shit Dany does. The things Robb does are similarly questionable, although he's older and has been brought up to do that shit and has a bunch of advisers. Not saying that I have a problem with the way it's done in the books, just that aging a few of the characters by a year or two wouldn't hurt.
Blind Guardian
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Strange that I've never heard of these books, as I used to be quite into fantasy 7-8 years ago. What sets them apart from the average generic fantasy story?
To put it frankly, the books contain very little to be happy about. Each chapter is written in a "point of view" style, and follows several families through various political & fraternal struggles.
Just read the wiki page:
"Influences
Although Martin has acknowledged his debt to the works of J.R.R. Tolkien,[17] Jack Vance[18] and Tad Williams,[14] the series differs from these earlier works in its greater interest in and use of realistic elements. While Tolkien was inspired by mythology, A Song of Ice and Fire is more clearly influenced by medieval history, most notably the Wars of the Roses.[19] Likewise, while Tolkien tended toward romantic relationships, Martin writes frankly of sex, including incest, adultery, prostitution, and rape. As a result, illegitimate children play prominent roles throughout the series. This has led to the series being cited as a forerunner of a 'gritty' new wave of epic fantasy authors that followed, including Scott Lynch,[20] and Joe Abercrombie,.[21] On his website, Martin has acknowledged historical fiction authors such as Bernard Cornwell and George MacDonald Fraser to be influences on the series. Martin has cited the cover blurb by Robert Jordan for the first book to have been influential in ensuring the series' early success with fantasy readers.[22]"
Just read the wiki page:
"Influences
Although Martin has acknowledged his debt to the works of J.R.R. Tolkien,[17] Jack Vance[18] and Tad Williams,[14] the series differs from these earlier works in its greater interest in and use of realistic elements. While Tolkien was inspired by mythology, A Song of Ice and Fire is more clearly influenced by medieval history, most notably the Wars of the Roses.[19] Likewise, while Tolkien tended toward romantic relationships, Martin writes frankly of sex, including incest, adultery, prostitution, and rape. As a result, illegitimate children play prominent roles throughout the series. This has led to the series being cited as a forerunner of a 'gritty' new wave of epic fantasy authors that followed, including Scott Lynch,[20] and Joe Abercrombie,.[21] On his website, Martin has acknowledged historical fiction authors such as Bernard Cornwell and George MacDonald Fraser to be influences on the series. Martin has cited the cover blurb by Robert Jordan for the first book to have been influential in ensuring the series' early success with fantasy readers.[22]"
Einherjar86
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Pessimism included the major stuff that's propelled him into fantasy fiction stardom. Just another note on the "grittiness" of the books:
The violence in Martin's series doesn't come off as forced or stressed like it does in Robert Jordan, Raymond Feist or other typical high fantasy writers. He writes with an ease and a maturity that really hits home (although his sexual perversity can be a bit glaring sometimes).
Also, the series is heartbreaking. You will hate Martin at certain points.
The violence in Martin's series doesn't come off as forced or stressed like it does in Robert Jordan, Raymond Feist or other typical high fantasy writers. He writes with an ease and a maturity that really hits home (although his sexual perversity can be a bit glaring sometimes).
Also, the series is heartbreaking. You will hate Martin at certain points.
Blind Guardian
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The point on the violence is excellent. The violence is as natural for the situation as can be, and is expected.
High fantasy writers have to create an unbelievable "evil entity" and then create a quest that brings the hero in contact with the evil entity. Martin just has people with swords cross paths and the result is inevitable.
Zephyrus
Tyrants and Slaves
For some reason I've always imagined Toby Jones's face for Tyrion:
I think Dinklage will be great though.
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