...ok, ok. It'll be quick. I don't like discussing it either. But do you consider glam to be real Metal? I don't. I think its just pop ballads done with an eleictric guitar.
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Dionysos
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Any of the "hair bands" popular in the 80's like def leppard, ratt, scorpions, poison, even bon jovi.
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@Elfbane: "hair bands"
Well those bands have nothing to do with metal (besides Scorpions) exept from the fact that they "poisoned" the metal scene with this "hair style"
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Well those bands have nothing to do with metal (besides Scorpions) exept from the fact that they "poisoned" the metal scene with this "hair style"
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Yes, Glam metal is real metal. As much as I'm into THRASH and DEATH METAL... and as much as I'm NOT into Glam I'll admit that much. (Dokken, Ratt, Scorpions, Yngwie, Def Leppard, Van Halen etc...).
I know I'm mixing genres here, but Glam and Heavy Metal played a strong role into other forms of metal progressing.
It offered Technical excellence, ripping leads, though some of it was based on rock, much of it is real metal.
Heavy Metal and Glam metal were in it's prime when all of the sub-genres of metal "speed, thrash, progressive" were all in their infancy, and if you listen to early speed, thrash and progressive, you can clearly see that Glam and Heavy metal have their influences. Not to mention, most of these bands were into the heavy metal/glam thing BEFORE they started their own things. I'm NOT talking about image/style, but in talent and song structure.
Regardless if you want to admit it or not...
I know I'm mixing genres here, but Glam and Heavy Metal played a strong role into other forms of metal progressing.
It offered Technical excellence, ripping leads, though some of it was based on rock, much of it is real metal.
Heavy Metal and Glam metal were in it's prime when all of the sub-genres of metal "speed, thrash, progressive" were all in their infancy, and if you listen to early speed, thrash and progressive, you can clearly see that Glam and Heavy metal have their influences. Not to mention, most of these bands were into the heavy metal/glam thing BEFORE they started their own things. I'm NOT talking about image/style, but in talent and song structure.
Regardless if you want to admit it or not...
dionysos:
Thats my opinon exactly.
xenophobe:
I recognize that glam stemmed from Metal, but from there it became a different genre. Most of it is light,bouncy, pop melodies with an electric guitar. The same way blink182 is NOT punk, or linkin park is NOT Metal. Its not very heavy and is missing the edge Metal has, which is why it appealed to so many people the same way pop music does.
Thats my opinon exactly.
xenophobe:
I recognize that glam stemmed from Metal, but from there it became a different genre. Most of it is light,bouncy, pop melodies with an electric guitar. The same way blink182 is NOT punk, or linkin park is NOT Metal. Its not very heavy and is missing the edge Metal has, which is why it appealed to so many people the same way pop music does.
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Nate The Great
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If this is true, then Nu-Metal is also heavy metal. Nu-Metal and Grunge both stemmed from heavy metal. They both incorporate heavy guitars and angry vocals (artificially angry). Therefore, by your definition of glam metal being metal, Nu-Metal would also be metal. That's my observation of your theory. I'm not saying I agree or disagree. I think glam-metal is pop music with elements of heavy metal. It fits into the metal world the same as nu-metal.
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When I first got into metal back when I was a little 12 year old I liked Ratt, Def Lep, & Poison. How embarrassing. But then when I was 14 I discovered Metallica & Slayer & Megadeth and then it just progressed to more extreme metal from there
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I agree both with Xenphobe and npearce. I think some glam bands are a little metal. For instance Guns N' Roses is kind of a mix between glam metal and heavy metal (I often refer to them as heavy rock though). When you see early pictures of them they look like Poison or some shit wearing make up and all that crap, but I think their music was harder than Poison and in "hardness" I think they're closer to Iron Maiden than Poison, Bon Jovi etc.
As I said I categorize GN'R as heavy rock (or trucker rock) and not heavy metal. It's the same with Skid Row. I think a track like "Monkey business" is superb and they're mostly refered to as glam metal, but their music is harder than for instance Bon Jovi's music and also comes closer to Iron Maiden than to Bon Jovi.
As I said I categorize GN'R as heavy rock (or trucker rock) and not heavy metal. It's the same with Skid Row. I think a track like "Monkey business" is superb and they're mostly refered to as glam metal, but their music is harder than for instance Bon Jovi's music and also comes closer to Iron Maiden than to Bon Jovi.
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xenophobe
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Nu-metal is after the fact.
Control Denied is Metal, right? Heavy old school "Glam and Heavy metal" influence. No doubt about it. Not very hard or edgy. Comparible to Dokken or Yngwie, but not as happy.
Glam PRECEDED a lot of metal and kinda turned into PROGRESSIVE METAL, like Dream Theater and a bunch of other bands I'm not into.
Just because some may not like the fact that some Glam is actually metal doesn't make it not so.
Comparing it to NU-Metal is easy, as both were commercial, but it's not the same thing.
Control Denied is Metal, right? Heavy old school "Glam and Heavy metal" influence. No doubt about it. Not very hard or edgy. Comparible to Dokken or Yngwie, but not as happy.
Glam PRECEDED a lot of metal and kinda turned into PROGRESSIVE METAL, like Dream Theater and a bunch of other bands I'm not into.
Just because some may not like the fact that some Glam is actually metal doesn't make it not so.
Comparing it to NU-Metal is easy, as both were commercial, but it's not the same thing.
xenophobe
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And if you were in the scene back in the day, it most certainly was called metal...
Some people also don't seem to think the Halocaust didn't happen... Or that the world is really flat, er... wait it is, but my point is that it is metal, surely a very embarrasing moment in metal history, but there nonetheless...
Some people also don't seem to think the Halocaust didn't happen... Or that the world is really flat, er... wait it is, but my point is that it is metal, surely a very embarrasing moment in metal history, but there nonetheless...
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I think alot of the "metal" in glam metal partly came from the images of bands like Motley Crue. Listening to them now they sound like stuff my mother would listen to but then they had weird face paint, leather jackets, chains, bikes, spikes and lets not forget the pentagrams snuck in there.
Someone on another board made a good point about nu-metal. Just because someone who listens to death metal says nu-metal isnt metal doesnt make it so. Nu-metal does have "metal" influences in nearly all of it. Vocals, heavy guitar sound and so on.
Someone on another board made a good point about nu-metal. Just because someone who listens to death metal says nu-metal isnt metal doesnt make it so. Nu-metal does have "metal" influences in nearly all of it. Vocals, heavy guitar sound and so on.
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A lot of that nu-metal has rap influences, and rap beats... and instead of using synths, samples, and keyboards to make the beat, they use guitar, and make it sound heavy, but that doens't mean that that rap-nu-metal has any metal influences in it at all, even though one could see that heavy guitar= metal, doesn't make that so either.
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