GMD Poll: Top 10 Metal Albums of 1983

[HamburgerBoy]

This made me realize that A Distant Thunder follows a similar trend, weaker opening tracks with super strong closing ones (unless you let the Scorpions cover ruin things). I'll admit that Abandon Ship is in its own league compared to the rest of the album, though.

A3
A4
B3
B4
B1
A2
B2
A1

 

[Master_Yoda77]

I don't even know what the fuck is going on in this argument. Autismoboy is listing off a bunch of letters and numbers and talking about how people with ADHD can't listen to an album over 30 minutes long.

 

[no country for old wainds]

I still have no idea what makes people think Baptized in Blood is any less an ordinary thrash-y song than Swirling Madness.

i have no idea what makes you think this either, tis more tense and expressive and focused. 'swirling madness' is fine tho, not trying to say it's shit or something

hey, 'winds of war' is probably my favourite on the other one.

I don't even know what the fuck is going on in this argument. Autismoboy is listing off a bunch of letters and numbers and talking about how people with ADHD can't listen to an album over 30 minutes long.

no, you nailed it, that's exactly what's going on

 

[HamburgerBoy]

I've never seen any cogent justification for the claim that the songs on the second half are any weaker on average than those from the first half outside of lyrics. It's like people think "Oh, a half-concept album from 1989 from a band considered to be a pioneer in early power and neoclassical metal, that was somewhat ahead of its time, but obviously not being a full concept album deducts innovation points, therefore I can repurpose my personal experience of ADHD-borne boredom into a facade of objective judgment with ease, how convenient". I mean, these people can't be bothered to talk about weak B-sides on more than just the same few albums over and over, so it's not like it's a universal position of boredom. Instead, it's a form of virtue signalling that is very easy for the in-crowd to latch onto. People like that love to take objective statements describing art and fashion it into an opinion. It's similar to people that by and large hate anime go on and on about how amazing Neon Genesis Evangelion and/or Miyazaki films are because their creators openly brag about subverting tropes and/or hating the usual anime crowds, which provides a convenient springboard for any professional consumer to jump from.

I mean, what, do these lyrics really make the song for you?

And every night
You'll feel my bite
You won't be scarred
So be prepared
To feel the pain
Your life I drain
And then we'll be
Baptized in blood
I am the prince of darkness
Bow before me
Fall, succumb to my trance
And be mine for eternity
Time, centuries have come and gone
But still I remain
Black, yes, I am the dark
That puts the light to shame

Like, they're not *terrible* but they're certainly not any kind of good. They're actually more embarrassing than I thought, and make me grateful for my inability to comprehend human speech in real-time. If that was the only song about vampirism, no one would give a shit about the lyrics. So the lyrics have little to nothing to do with why people pretend the first half is that much better, it's just a convenient excuse to talk about music for the sake of talking.

 

[Mort Divine]

So his "early years with metal" consist of masterpieces of the genre and yours consist of what? Ares kingdom, At the Gates and The Chasm? nothing from any of those bands comes close to touching the first four Metallica albums, regardless of what you "edgelord" circle jerkers around here want to spew out.

Dream Theater, Death, Iron Maiden, Iced Earth, Megadeth, etc. actually.

 

[no country for old wainds]

i don't care about the lyrics particularly, it just implies laziness and lost focus that they abandoned the concept halfway through is all - i doubt i'd ever comment on it if it wasn't reflected in a decline in quality from 4-4.5 level to 3-3.5 level over those three songs. 'baptized in blood' is one of my favourite thrash/speed/whatever songs - it's close to some kind of helstar ideal for me - which should help demonstrate that this boils down to us wanting different things out of music and nothing else, despite your increasingly paranoid theorising. i get chills as soon as the intro segues into it and they don't let up for basically the whole song.

i've never watched NGE but miyazaki's movies ARE animé for non-animé fans, no? no matter how derivatively his fans end up expressing this preference, it's not 'virtue signalling' if it genuinely reflects their response to the work, and in most cases it probably does. i mean, it doesn't take hearing brags from the creators to see ghibli are going for a more western-friendly brand of respectability and elegance than most animé and go easy on the more alienatingly japanese elements. many of the normie westerners who like miyazaki would be totally baffled and annoyed by a lot of stuff h/c animé fans like. it's more than likely that these people are just, y'know, more normal/boring than a unique snowflake like yourself.

 

[Krow]

Hey but at least Sacramentum and At the Gates were really ahead of their time since theyre being discussed in the fucking thread about metal albums from 1983.

 

[no country for old wainds]

we're talking about animé now krow, please keep up.

 

[no country for old wainds]

WHY IS THIS THREAD SO FUCKED UP?!

 

[Vegard Pompey]

@ the entire last page

 

[HamburgerBoy]

i don't care about the lyrics particularly, it just implies laziness and lost focus that they abandoned the concept halfway through is all

"Implies laziness", lol. That's exactly the attitude I'm talking about. Why have an opinion when you can just infer one? lmao.

 

[no country for old wainds]

here's another opinion i've inferred: the only reason you go such lengths to explain away differences in opinion as dishonest is that the terrifying alternative is accepting your brain works differently from the rest of humanity and that you're just a gay alien who will definitely die alone

lists bros? @rms @Burkhard @Bloopy @Phylactery @ClichéUserName @I-TEND-TO-DIE @Serjeant Grumbles @Mort Divine

 

[Mort Divine]

i'll get mine in tomorrow after work

 

[CiG]

at the gates' second album is my most listened to metal album of all time so i can't quite agree with all of that, not to mention metallica obviously have ATG beat in the descending into pure shit stakes. metallica have more classic albums and were more influential etc ofc. it isn't at all outrageous to prefer ATG to metallica though.

Well sure, often the bands with the highest peak material are also guilty of the lowest quality material.

I don't want to say I'm outraged that anybody would take At the Gates' best over Metallica's best, in fact I'm not really surprised at all considering this is UM where people think "extreme" metal is the ultimate embodiment of metal's quality or some other pontificated fartsniffing opinion.

Sometimes I seriously think if metal had ended in 1986 half this board's metalheads wouldn't be metalheads.

The Red in the Sky is Ours is obviously easily better than any Metallica album as are 3-4 The Chasm albums.

That's all this opinion deserves.

 

[alex76]

Well, at least its easy to shitpost in here. That's always fun!

 

[HamburgerBoy]

here's another opinion i've inferred: the only reason you go such lengths to explain away differences in opinion as dishonest is that the terrifying alternative is accepting your brain works differently from the rest of humanity and that you're just a gay alien who will definitely die alone]

My mom told me that she sung me "Mary, Mary, quite contrary" all the time starting at the age of 2. I know I'm special.

 

[no country for old wainds]

Well sure, often the bands with the highest peak material are also guilty of the lowest quality material.

i really only said that 'cause you mentioned atg going to shit - i don't tend to judge bands based on their shitty stuff. i mean, it's easy to ignore a shitty album, they don't negatively impact me much unless i'm forced to listen to them repeatedly for some reason. quantity and quality of the good stuff is what i really care about. i'll happily name slayer and metallica as two of my favourite bands in full knowledge that they've been releasing crap for decades now.

as for the rest... this board is pretty trad-biased though? certainly a lot moreso than it used to be and way more than a lot of the other major metal message boards.

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

I could be relistening to a classic Exodus album instead.

How many classic albums do they have?

 

[CiG]

i really only said that 'cause you mentioned atg going to shit - i don't tend to judge bands based on their shitty stuff. i mean, it's easy to ignore a shitty album, they don't negatively impact me much unless i'm forced to listen to them repeatedly for some reason. quantity and quality of the good stuff is what i really care about. i'll happily name slayer and metallica as two of my favourite bands in full knowledge that they've been releasing crap for decades now.

Sure I agree with all of this, but I wasn't judging any band based on them going downhill, I was merely pointing out the absurdity of you saying to leave At the Gates out of this as if they're even remotely consistent compared to The Chasm or Ares Kingdom, which will make sense if you go back and read again @TechnicalBarbarity's comment that you initially reacted to.

as for the rest... this board is pretty trad-biased though? certainly a lot moreso than it used to be and way more than a lot of the other major metal message boards.

It's not trad-based at all, about half the regulars on here like a lot of traditional metal, which maybe seems like a huge amount here?

 

[HamburgerBoy]

How many classic albums do they have?

Four (first three and Tempo).