"goth" as a loaded word/a people
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I think it's odd Andrew doesn't like the Goth term for The Sisters of Mercy. Much like Glen Benton seems to deny Deicide is a death metal band.No, unfortunately it is from this book (my favorite book other than Moby Dick)
Gothic rock is probably one of the best genres ever. Do you like Sisters of Mercy Cythraul? Many say Rosetta Stone are copycattish of them, plus the Sisters have named their drum machine Doktor Avalanche and singer Andrew Eldritch speaks German!
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Why do The Cure continuously get labeled as "goth"? Is it Robert Smith's make up? The Cure is new wave at best.
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Goth has probably the most ambiguous and poorly defined definition of all sub-cultures. From my understanding, goth seems to focus more on themes of "dark romance" where as metal seems to be more focused on morbidity and general negative subject matter. I also think goth is more inclined to be affiliated with cross-dressing when metal is undeniably pretty fucking masculine (unless you count glam metal, which seems to be more for ironic purposes than anything). Goth seems to appeal to both genders when metal is male-dominated for the most part.
The misconception that the two are interchangeable obviously comes from the mallgoth crowd. I personally think the original goth scene is pretty different from metal. The two are sometimes combined (a la gothic metal), but often badly.
I haven't delved too far into it but I do like most goth rock I've heard. Sisters of Mercy are one of my favorite bands outside of metal and I consider Floodland a timeless classic.
The misconception that the two are interchangeable obviously comes from the mallgoth crowd. I personally think the original goth scene is pretty different from metal. The two are sometimes combined (a la gothic metal), but often badly.
I haven't delved too far into it but I do like most goth rock I've heard. Sisters of Mercy are one of my favorite bands outside of metal and I consider Floodland a timeless classic.
Glam metal isn't really ironic considering it enjoyed more mainstream success than most other metal...
Voltaire are AWESOME. The Cure get labeled as "goth" because of the big hair and dark aesthetics.
Voltaire are AWESOME. The Cure get labeled as "goth" because of the big hair and dark aesthetics.
I liked that Sisters of Mercy video but that was expected. First and Last and Always is definitely one of my favorite non-metal albums too.
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I was talking about the image associated with glam metal. I wouldn't consider the music itself all that feminine-oriented.
Hmm, I think you're assigning a feminine image to goth where none is needed. The music itself is usually kind of neutered.
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"Gothic" is indeed a very vague, ambiguous term. It can refer to many things like architecture, literature, photography, music etc. But goth rock basically came from glam and post-punk and you may find "goth" bands in darkwave, deathrock, post-punk, and coldwave.
Though gothic metal really has nothing to do with gothic rock, save for the odd band like Moonspell who I would generally classify as gothic metal. I'm really not sure why but gothic metal has become a label for bands who play melodramatic, symphonic ballads that have female singers.
But I don't really see a link between crossdressing and goth, nor do I think it's feminine as many people consider it to be. There's just less emphasis on gender.
Though gothic metal really has nothing to do with gothic rock, save for the odd band like Moonspell who I would generally classify as gothic metal. I'm really not sure why but gothic metal has become a label for bands who play melodramatic, symphonic ballads that have female singers.
But I don't really see a link between crossdressing and goth, nor do I think it's feminine as many people consider it to be. There's just less emphasis on gender.
The only "true goth" I've ever met is my current art teacher and she has to be one of the coolest, most down-to-earth people I know.
On another note, that Sisters of Mercy video didn't do much for me. I respect them as a band and I can see why others would like them but they're just not for me. However, I'm slowly starting to get into Type O Negative (RIP), although I usually see them classed as Gothic Metal rather than Goth Rock.
I personally prefer a more sinister edge to my music, hence why I fairly enjoyed this.
On another note, that Sisters of Mercy video didn't do much for me. I respect them as a band and I can see why others would like them but they're just not for me. However, I'm slowly starting to get into Type O Negative (RIP), although I usually see them classed as Gothic Metal rather than Goth Rock.
I personally prefer a more sinister edge to my music, hence why I fairly enjoyed this.
Sisters of Mercy just sounded too poppy for my tastes. Anyone know any other Goth Rock bands with a darker edge to their sound?
