Holocaust Debate in Iran

[Captain Beard]

Personally, I see no reason why.

 

[cthulufhtagn]

itt thanatopsis takes thread-crossover humor to its highest peak yet

 

[EVERLOSTINDEADETERNITY]

Saying the Holocaust happened is like saying Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin actually landed on the moon. Pfft.

Im joking. For a second opinion lets ask Mel Gibson. He seems to be " In The Know"

 

[spaffe]

itt thanatopsis takes thread-crossover humor to its highest peak yet

Followed closely by Captain Caps latest contribution

 

[Conspicuously Absent]

In closing:

Naturally, I think that democracy and freedom are bullshit and truth is relative to the one who perceives it. So this whole debate can go to hell for all I care. I just like making people question their beliefs.

Maybe you should have used the username Iconoclastic Tendencies

however I'm 100% with you here.


btw... awesome thread this.

 

[Patrick R.]

so all the jews whose family members died were just making shit up so they'd get their own country, eh?

yeah makes sense

good thing they had photoshop back in 1945, sure fooled all of us

They didn't need 'photoshop' for dead bodies in world war II...with Dachau for example, they died from typhus not in gas chambers.

 

[Patrick R.]

Anybody who denies that the Holocaust actually happened is just fucking ignorant, but there are a substantial amount of criticisms to be made with regard to the official report on what occured. Some suggest that the Allies are partly responsible for many of the deaths late in the war as they destroyed Germany's infrastructure, including their roads, preventing supplies to come in to the concentration camps.

Well there you have it, that explains why there was so much suffering and starvation in Germany during the war. Now, Holocaust historians can't find one document where Hitler gave an order to kill all Jews...not one. That just goes to show there is a line between documentary evidence and allied propaganda.

 

[General Zod]

Now, Holocaust historians can't find one document where Hitler gave an order to kill all Jews...not one.

Really? That's shocking. If you read the Evil Dictator's Handbook, you'll note that Chapter Three clearly states, "Make sure to leave plenty of signed copies of all the atrocities you order, so that historians will later be able to correctly attribute your misdeeds to you."

By the way, are you under the impression that somewhere in D.C., is a signed memo from Bush to Cheney that reads, "I'd like to go war in Iraq. Please falsify evidence that shows they're in possession of WMDs."

Personally, I've never been a world leader. But I'm going to go out on a limb and guess, generally they don't sign these memos.

Zod

 

[Para-Void]

Well there you have it, that explains why there was so much suffering and starvation in Germany during the war. Now, Holocaust historians can't find one document where Hitler gave an order to kill all Jews...not one. That just goes to show there is a line between documentary evidence and allied propaganda.

No, it just shows you're a moron. But hey, I'm from Israel so I'm probably part of the holocaust conspiracy.

 

[JayKeeley]

It's so funny how you get all these nazi sympathizers digging through forum archives to bump old threads. How much time is spent on reorganizing your life to create this existence of just wanting to contradict everything? Kinda like all those geeks out to prove the existence of UFOs. Or that 40 year old New Yorker in the NSBM thread who couldn't understand how non-white people and white people could conceivably hang out together. In NYC. wtf. To this day I refuse to believe he's even stepped foot anywhere near NYC. I'm sure he lives on an island, but it aint fucken Manhattan that's for sure.

Also, didn't the western allies go to war AGAINST the nazis to stop their attempt in world domination!!! What is all this convenient amnesia all of a sudden? Since when did the nazis become the good guys and the rest of us the bad guys?

And why don't Italians and Japs get as much stick for WW2 as the Germans? How did they get to fly under the radar?

 

[Patrick R.]

Really? That's shocking. If you read the Evil Dictator's Handbook, you'll note that Chapter Three clearly states, "Make sure to leave plenty of signed copies of all the atrocities you order, so that historians will later be able to correctly attribute your misdeeds to you."

By the way, are you under the impression that somewhere in D.C., is a signed memo from Bush to Cheney that reads, "I'd like to go war in Iraq. Please falsify evidence that shows they're in possession of WMDs."

Personally, I've never been a world leader. But I'm going to go out on a limb and guess, generally they don't sign these memos.

Zod

Ok, so you are admitting their isn’t any documentation to support the idea that ‘Hitler gave the order’? Well you aren’t alone, some academics on the situation claim that it was a ‘matter of spirit’. Raul Hilberg said this,

“In the final analysis, the destruction of the Jews was not so much a product of laws and commands as it was a matter of spirit, of shared comprehension, of consonance and synchronization.”

The Destruction of the European Jews (1985), pp. 53-55, 62.


Also, I’m not referring to a signed copy of every victim, just some evidence to prove that Hitler and the Nazis had a plan to ‘exterminate’ all of Europe’s Jews. It is still claimed that the Wannsee Conference was where the Nazis orchestrated a plan to exterminate Europe’s Jews but an examination of the Wannsee protocol shows that there was no talk of genocide. Apparently Yehuda Bauer, an expert of the Holocaust understands this very well.

"The public still repeats, time after time, the silly story that at Wannsee the extermination of the Jews was arrived at." In Bauer's opinion, Wannsee was a meeting but "hardly a conference" and "little of what was said there was executed in detail”

Source.

The Canadian Jewish News (Toronto), Jan. 30, 1992, p. 8.

 

[Patrick R.]

No, it just shows you're a moron. But hey, I'm from Israel so I'm probably part of the holocaust conspiracy.

No, what it does show is that propaganda fools the masses….take a look at the “blood libel” which is fake or an exaggeration and an embarrassment to Europeans. The Nazis themselves used propaganda and they were far more advanced in these psychological tactics. Napoleon understood the psychological principle very well.

 

[Patrick R.]

It's so funny how you get all these nazi sympathizers digging through forum archives to bump old threads. How much time is spent on reorganizing your life to create this existence of just wanting to contradict everything? Kinda like all those geeks out to prove the existence of UFOs. Or that 40 year old New Yorker in the NSBM thread who couldn't understand how non-white people and white people could conceivably hang out together. In NYC. wtf. To this day I refuse to believe he's even stepped foot anywhere near NYC. I'm sure he lives on an island, but it aint fucken Manhattan that's for sure.

Likewise, it is funny to see multicultural sympathizers dig through ‘forum archives’. As far as a whites and non whites hanging out together, that is possible of course but that doesn’t stop conflict based on race. It amazes me that the organizers of multiculturalism with their billions of dollars refuse to actually live in a multiracial area…take a look at the Clintons…how multiracial is there town?

Also, New York City wasn’t always a multiracial polyglot, it was at one point very European regardless of different ethnic groups. Also, take a look at the founding fathers of the United States, from our Declaration of Independence from Britain all the way to the constitution that set up the executive, legislative, and judicial branch of the Federal government and theoretically guarantees American freedom. They were racist white supremacist that owned slaves and didn’t believe in racial equality for a second. I don’t share the views of my forefathers, but America most certainly wasn’t created for multiracial purposes.

Also, didn't the western allies go to war AGAINST the nazis to stop their attempt in world domination!!! What is all this convenient amnesia all of a sudden? Since when did the nazis become the good guys and the rest of us the bad guys?

No, they went against Germany because they wanted a puppet government, amongst other things of course. After Germany lost the first world war the victorious powers forced Germany to sign the Treaty of Versailles turn over land with millions of Germans and pay reparations that wasn’t possible which caused their economy to collapse and the Weimar Republic allowed this to happen. These measures gave the Nazis a chance to be democratically elected into power. Long story short, the victors of the first world war wanted their enemy subdued once again and a puppet government established…they have one…it is called the Federal Republic of Germany which even better then the Weimar Republic, it is sort of a new and improved Weimar Republic.

And why don't Italians and Japs get as much stick for WW2 as the Germans? How did they get to fly under the radar?

There is propaganda against Fascist Italy and the Imperial Japanese…but of course the Germans were the traditional enemies of (governments) of Great Britain, France, and the United States so more propaganda would be necessary to keep their political enemies (the Nazis) from rising to power anywhere in the European world.

 

[General Zod]

Ok, so you are admitting their isn’t any documentation to support the idea that ‘Hitler gave the order’?

Nope. I'm merely saying, the absence of docuemntation signed by Hitler wouldn't prove anything.

Zod

 

[cthulufhtagn]

Really? That's shocking. If you read the Evil Dictator's Handbook, you'll note that Chapter Three clearly states, "Make sure to leave plenty of signed copies of all the atrocities you order, so that historians will later be able to correctly attribute your misdeeds to you."

By the way, are you under the impression that somewhere in D.C., is a signed memo from Bush to Cheney that reads, "I'd like to go war in Iraq. Please falsify evidence that shows they're in possession of WMDs."

Personally, I've never been a world leader. But I'm going to go out on a limb and guess, generally they don't sign these memos.

Zod

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in fact my european history professor mentioned this exact thing today in class...interesting coincidence. apparently hitler didn't leave a lot of documented orders in general, just a word to goering or himmler was enough.

 

[Dark One]

Zod, you've already done this, but nevertheless you've further proved that my faith in your ability to think for yourself was not misguided. I've actually heard a few thinkers that lean hard to the left based on current events (which of course is perfectly legitimate), revise WWII history to suit their own political needs and spread it to whoever will listen. Given the fragile perception of our place and Israel's place in the world today, it's a very easy thing to do. It's also the perfect climate for Nazi sympathizers to pounce on the weak minded.

Cheers are in order and if I could buy you a drink I would.

Jason

 

[cthulufhtagn]

It amazes me that the organizers of multiculturalism with their billions of dollars refuse to actually live in a multiracial area…take a look at the Clintons…how multiracial is there town?

i don't understand this "organizers of multiculturalism" bit. uh, what? oh right, i only think brown people are ok because clinton said so. he also said executing minors and bombing civilian targets are ok, so woohoo let's go! man, isn't it great never thinking for yourself?

 

[skeptik]

I wish he wouldn't have quoted me.

 

[JayKeeley]

Likewise, it is funny to see multicultural sympathizers dig through ‘forum archives’. As far as a whites and non whites hanging out together, that is possible of course but that doesn’t stop conflict based on race.

What fucking conflict? Seriously, the only people who make an issue out of this 'supposed conflict' are those who have WAY too much time on their hands. I don't know about anyone else but it's not like I go through my day trying to single out a race for how crap things might be in my personal shortcomings. Whatever happened to people taking responsibility for themselves? Drink beer, listen to metal, eat steak & lobster, fuck your girlfriend, pay your taxes, obey the law = life is simple as fucking pie. Seriously, unless you're blind, deaf, or confined to a wheelchair, life is fucking great.

Also, New York City wasn’t always a multiracial polyglot, it was at one point very European regardless of different ethnic groups.

Yeah and before that it was all native American. America will NEVER EVER EVER EVER be a white nation. Everybody needs to get that into their heads and give up on the notion that the USA will one day look like Iceland.

No, they went against Germany because they wanted a puppet government, amongst other things of course.

"amongst other things"??? Where are you from? The Germans blitz'd the United Kingdom. They were attempting to fire V2 rockets over the channel, they flew their planes over to drop a millions bombs.

Either way, what is up with defending Gaydolf Shitler and her Nazi Germany? Why can't we all agree on the simple fact that they were the bad guys and needed to be taken out? It's insulting to all those before us who gave up their lives so we wouldn't have to speak cunting Kraut.

There is propaganda against Fascist Italy and the Imperial Japanese…but of course the Germans were the traditional enemies

All I'm saying is that today, when England plays Italy, there are no songs on the terraces about WW2. However, when the Gerries play England or anyone else, all the songs are about the demolition of the nazi front. Ever heard the song "Ten Little Bombers"?

The Germans will never be forgiven for WW2, whereas the Italians are barely even remembered for participating. Maybe since they had/have such a shit army, no one even cares.

 

[dill_the_devil]

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