How dark should Opeth get?

[Chinese Whispers]

I thought it was a joke, I laughed the first time I heard it.

I laughed to once the realization came over me that it was in fact going out of tune and my ears weren't fucking up on me.

Obviously we both have a very perverted sense of humour to find it worth a laugh.

 

[Alteredmindeath]

I thought the joke was different and creative in its own way, I laughed too when I first heard it. The end part were Mikael laughs like the joker is phenomenal.

 

[Chinese Whispers]

I thought the joke was different and creative in its own way, I laughed too when I first heard it. The end part were Mikael laughs like the joker is phenomenal.

Oh, I agree. It is different and creative in a way, particularly after a song as heavy as 'Burden'.

 

[Ozzloaf]

This isn't related to darkness entirely, but it certainly contains elements that pertains to both. I'd personally like to see Opeth become more avant-garde or "weird". Mike always talks about a progression, but in most ways they are only applying more progressive rock influences to their music which, theoretically, isn't progressing, it's regressing. On the next album I'd like to see Opeth create something entirely new. Maybe Mike should find some other influences? Non-musical? The darkness of that will stem from the fact that it would be unheard of and bizarre, which can certainly be frightening at first...

 

[Chinese Whispers]

This isn't related to darkness entirely, but it certainly contains elements that pertains to both. I'd personally like to see Opeth become more avant-garde or "weird". Mike always talks about a progression, but in most ways they are only applying more progressive rock influences to their music which, theoretically, isn't progressing, it's regressing. On the next album I'd like to see Opeth create something entirely new. Maybe Mike should find some other influences? Non-musical? The darkness of that will stem from the fact that it would be unheard of and bizarre, which can certainly be frightening at first...

In fairness, I can hear tiny bits of the Scott Walker influence the band professed to having in some of those jarring atmospheric interludes on Watershed.

Also, I don't know about the whole progressing/regressing thang. All I want from Opeth is good music. I'm sure they could go out and make something completely different from anything they have done but that doesn't necessarily mean it'd be the bee's knees. I would much prefer natural to different, an evolution in sound and songwriting rather than different for the sake of it. And I am quite sure that most people by now understand the difference between 'prog' and 'progression'.

 

[Iki-ilkkuja]

I'd like to hear a more brutal an album. One with more death metal than since the days of Deliverance, because those short peaceful passages on Deliverance are purely amazing.

 

[StealerAG]

There's an out of tune acoustic joke on Watershed? :O

I don't see it as a "joke".

I like that part really much. It's a bad ending,in a good way,I mean.

 

[Nasty-Fire]

Mike always talks about a progression, but in most ways they are only applying more progressive rock influences to their music which, theoretically, isn't progressing, it's regressing.

What about a progressive regression? I rarely thought of "progressive" stuff as something that progressed... based on what I've heard.

 

[Alteredmindeath]

I think progressing for Opeth is simply adding new things like flamenco interlude behind some serious jazz chords mixed with orchestrations.

 

[Lateralus14]

Progressing would be continuing to write something fresh despite already having a lot of albums to compete with. Not progressing would be just copying a bunch of musical gimmicks from the 70s and tossing them all together.

 

[cuntface]

Progressing would be continuing to write something fresh despite already having a lot of albums to compete with. Not progressing would be just copying a bunch of musical gimmicks from the 70s and tossing them all together.

so Opeth blows?

 

[Slaydon]

I like Opeth just as they are now. Maybe it wouldn't hurt if they made one more album like DAMNATION. But I'm fine if they don't.

 

[cuntface]

I like Opeth just as they are now. Maybe it wouldn't hurt if they made one more album like DAMNATION. But I'm fine if they don't.

yeah but if they made another damnation it'll prolly just be exactly the same, i do want them to take more of a turn in the next one, something that just sounds a lot more fresh

 

[in limbow]

they should get lighter. start makin some psychedelic sunshine pop

 

[Slaydon]

they should get lighter. start makin some psychedelic sunshine pop

You takin' a piss at me?

 

[Don Corleone]

In fairness, I can hear tiny bits of the Scott Walker influence the band professed to having in some of those jarring atmospheric interludes on Watershed.

spot on

mikael had said he was influenced by "the drift" while he was writing songs for watershed.

 

[Chinese Whispers]

spot on

mikael had said he was influenced by "the drift" while he was writing songs for watershed.

Isn't the addition of these kind of things enough to keep things interesting and fresh. Obviously they have refined the songwriting to a point where it is rather effective, and beyond bringing in other elements here and there (without completely overhauling what they have always been about), what else do they really need to do? Reinvent the wheel? Well, I don't think that'll happen, and if I really wanted something that was completely original and 'progressive' I probably wouldn't be looking in metal (or rock, or any guitar based music really) for something of that ilk. Is not being good (or even great) at what you do good enough any more?

 

[Rocky Raccoon]

One
Big
Ass
Mistake
America


is that what you really think dude?

 

[DisappearingSun412]

One
Big
Ass
Mistake
America


is that what you really think dude?

I can't speak for him, but I'll say I agree. The bastard won the office through shady tactics and abusing the system and demographics, he used his campaign to bash the actions of the other party and the out of control spending. Then he gets the office and completely reverts on his promises, continues the same type of spending (only much worse, and much more), and doesn't help fix any issues that have developed over the last 8 years.

In 100 days, he spent more than bush did in 8 years, all of which was against the general consensus.

Capitalism= let the weak businesses fail, the strong businesses survive.
Socialism= bailouts

I know some people say: Some companies are just too large to let fail because they'll impact the entire us economy. Thats because they regulated small businesses and family operations when they should've surpressed the ability for the large industries to abuse the system.

I'm done. Screw Bush, Screw Obama. They are one and the same. The world image of Obama is as distorted as the American image of george bush in 2000.

 

[DisappearingSun412]

I just got too political in a music thread. I won't delete my statement, but I didn't intend to push conversation in that direction.

Apologies.