I HATE BANDS WITH EVERY FUCKING CELL OF MY BODY

dontletmedrown said:
List of bad decisions:

1. Offering to WORK for free- nobody respects someone who can't command a salary

2. Agreeing to record a band you haven't heard

3. Forcing drummer to stop during tempo changes (is this really necessary with the tools we have in 2009?)

4. Forcing guitarist to play other guitarist's part-- only a really good guitarist can pull that off well enough to make a great recording. I can talk to someone for 5 minutes and tell you if they will be capable or not.
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Hang on a second, don't start giving the guy crap for a bunch of conclusions you've jumped to based on nothing but conjecture.

Working for free may be a "mistake", but it's his decision at the end of the day - and you can't conclude from that that he can't charge people; all you know is he didn't in this instance. I did my first few mixing gigs for free because it was the only way to get a foot in - if I'd tried charging I'd still be waiting.

Working with a band you haven't heard is, again, his choice, be it a mistake or not. I've recorded (as a musician) in 4 different cities in over a dozen studios, and it's pretty much 60/40 towards the engineer not having heard the band. Where I live now, it's nearer 90/10 I would guess - I've recorded 11 CDs with 5 bands here and the engineer has NEVER heard the band beforehand - one of them had never heard screaming vocals before and nearly soiled himself when I did my first take.

As for the other bits: He didn't force the drummer to stop at every tempo change, he said he only got the job the day before so didn't have a chance to make proper clicks/guides - the "we have to" is meant to be "had to", it's a tense mistake because I'm guessing English isn't his first language (which he apologised for in his post).

And he didn't force one guitarist to play all the parts - he suggested it, the guy agreed, and then decided he didn't know that parts at the last minute - he didn't even say that he couldn't play them, he said he didn't know them. Personally I would say that's totally on the guitarist's head. I don't care how long you talk to someone or how capable you think they are, if they say they're up for it, it's their balls on the chopping block. The comment about "only a really good guitarist can pull it off"? Bull - I'm a rubbish guitarist, and I play bass in my current band - but I still know all the guitar parts to every song, and I can play tight to a recording of myself.

The guy's having a rubbish session and decided to vent - there's no need to be a cunt to him, especially when you're basing on things he didn't even say.

Zeronaut - I hope the rest of the recording goes better. As frustrating as these things are, getting a decent product at the end of it will make you feel like you've really achieved something.

Steve
 
I don't have a busting lot to add, but that does suck majorly and I hope in future things are going to be easier and better for you.
 
THANK YOU ALL for your kindness
i feel better now that i let all that shit get out of me.
its not that this band made me THAT angry...its just
that with every shitty band i record i get more angrier/stressed and i just
"exploded" with this recording



Lasse Lammert said:
truth is: pretty much every band sucks and this is how 80% of all recordings go.
what really sucks is that you're doing it for free of course...but I guess you learn from your mistakes ;)
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i feel "better" knowing that pros like you get to record shitty bands too

i charge by song but
im really considering charging by hour for now on
damn ...if i had charged by hour every band i have recorded i would have a pro tools HD rig , an Esp custom and a Mesa Roadking.
well XD not that much ...but a lot more than i have now .


dontletmedrown said:
Seriously man, you should quit. It honestly doesn't sound like you've got the patience for this kind of work. Maybe it sounds mean, but I mean it in the nicest way possible. Experience has taught me that we all stand where we are because of the decisions we make.

List of bad decisions:

1. Offering to WORK for free- nobody respects someone who can't command a salary

2. Agreeing to record a band you haven't heard

3. Forcing drummer to stop during tempo changes (is this really necessary with the tools we have in 2009?)

4. Forcing guitarist to play other guitarist's part-- only a really good guitarist can pull that off well enough to make a great recording. I can talk to someone for 5 minutes and tell you if they will be capable or not.

Please don't take it the wrong way, but these are the kind of mistakes you NEED to make so you can learn to never make them again. Either quit, or be patient and take the abuse. It will be good for you if you plan to be in this for the long haul.

Good luck!:kickass:
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i have patience for this ...fuck i love recording...seriously...but i have spent the last 3 years recording
only SHITTY bands so i just came to a time that i just needed to yell "FUCK YOU ALL" because this was burning me inside

1º i offer to do it for free to get publicity for the studio . They are ""friends""
and they were going to record it with shitty quality ,because the guitarist that
was going to record them at home have no fucking idea, so i felt pity.
i live in a small island and its very very very unusual that a metal band release something with a record label

2º i have heard an old demo of the band recorded with bad quality
and i had the mistake of thinking that it sounds bad because of the recording .

3º i didn't force him...HE CANT PLAY tempo changes so we HAD TO stop
every time there was a tempo change.

4º i didn't force him...he seems to be the "tightest" player on the band
so i talked to him and he agreed to record all the guitars and then
the night before the recording that he didn't know the other guitarist parts .

i have told the band that i don't fucking like how we are recording
and we should re-record all
but they need the ep finished before september
and they think that all this mistakes will give a "RAW VIBE" to the sound ¬¬...

am i the only one that EVERY FUCKING TIME i told a guitarist "you have to dualtrack the guitars"
he says "Cant you just copy and paste?" ???
SERIOUSLY ...EVERY FUCKING TIME...
i dream with the day that i meet a guitarist that can quadtrack without problems

and of course they all want to sound like dimebag/alexi laiho/michael amott/etc etc ¬¬


p.s: sorry if there´s something wrong with the english.
 
I'm always fascinated by these kind of posts. I mean, what do you really expect from bands playing metal? Metal is some of the most heavily produced music you can get; but a lot of these bands don't know that. So they don't put in the effort, they expect it to be perfect just by micing up shit. But there is so much more to the process. Add that to the fact that your average drummer isn't very good, and you'll quickly come to realise that metal bands mostly suck.

my opinion of course.
 
drew_drummer said:
I'm always fascinated by these kind of posts. I mean, what do you really expect from bands playing metal? Metal is some of the most heavily produced music you can get; but a lot of these bands don't know that. So they don't put in the effort, they expect it to be perfect just by micing up shit. But there is so much more to the process. Add that to the fact that your average drummer isn't very good, and you'll quickly come to realise that metal bands mostly suck.

my opinion of course.
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Holy shit, something I agree with you on :lol: It's true, and even worse if they DO know how it works these days. I've had clients that know about samples, triggers, reamping, quantizing, etc. and they come in expecting that. The problem is, they think that shit is "easy" so they don't even try to give a good performance. Makes for a fun career choice, engineering. This is why I'm so sick of metal now and just want to do anything BUT metal.

Zeronaut: Damn dude, I really feel for you. I hope it goes better for you for the rest of the project though. I do love that you vent out everything and at the end of your posts you say "sorry for any bad english" haha, so polite after the venting, your english is fine!
 
if you are doing it for free, then drop the project if it's so bad.

next time, come up with a pay scale that will make the headache worth your while.

IMO you have no one to blame but yourself for 100% of these problems.

Not hatin', just statin'
 
I feel for you bro, I've only recorded a band for free once and it was my closest friends and the guitarist owns half of the studio equipment I use to record so I guess it's fair, and I did have some problems with the guitarrist not being tight enough for dual-tracking but in the end we pulled it off, drums were progammed and the bass player/vocalist was just perfect with no flaws, all in one take both for guitars and vox (except overdubs of course). So I guess I got lucky with that recording for free, you obviously didn't.

Tu ingles no esta nada mal amigo, pequeños detalles pero todo el mundo te entiende perfectamente
 
He was just saying basically "your english isn't bad dude, minor details but everyone understands you perfectly"

So weird I went to one of the higher levels of spanish language classes in high school a year early (tested out of the first two courses) but I can't hardly remember any of it. :(
 
SlipkyesBass said:
español, not espanol

just playing with you
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Too much effort to go to the character map and insert the symbol :D

And Mark, my sympathies dude, though I can't deny, it brought the lulz! :lol: (in a kind of "my god, just when I thought it couldn't get any worse" way :erk: )
 
This initial post is the EXACT reason I decided to disband my studio business. It was turning something I love doing (recording myself) into an absolute nightmare of a chore. I knew it was time to get out when I released I didn't give a damn about the opinions of the client...it's my way or my way. :lol: Now, I'm happy just working on my own stuff (when I actually have time) and occasionally help out a friend with some small things or advices.
 
i wish you all the patience in the world for your final tracking sessions. one thing that might help, is that you need to continue to view this like a job. at least youre doing a job in a field that you love. many people wake up each morning to do something they hate, and still have to deal with the idiocy of others on top of it. whether its flipping burgers, cashier at a grocery store, or working for assholes in the corporate rat race... most of us are confronted with the failures of others on a daily basis, making our jobs/days all the harder. but i will say this, i'm jealous of those who get to do music fulltime. not thats it a great gig all the time, but to be able to do what you love, youre already ahead of most. i hope that helps a bit.

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oh shit grywolf, you beat me to it. looks like we had the exact same thought, but coming from diff angles...
 
I recorded my first band free and I won't do it again, took me so much time. The guitarists were recording their DIs at home and they did copy/paste not even for bars, they copied half-bars or juste a couple of notes like 10 times. It sounded robotic, but it couldn't be heard in the whole mix.
 
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