obay bringer of light said:
dear Matti
thanks for sharing your vision with us.
no one like war for sure, no one like to kill, we are human and we share something deep inside of us called humanity, it's the thing that makes us all equal.
though there are times when times when our emotions (love or hate) leave us blind from seeing truth.
Arabs from all relegions Muslims, Christian and Jews lived in the holy land for many centuries togther, no one ever heared about making wars between these three relegions,and specaily in the holy land, Arabs in Palastine fought against British invasion and they also also fought against Israel, and I don't mean muslims, all of them, christian and jews, one of my friends' grand father (he is muslim) told me alot about the battles against Israelies in 1947 and before that, he fought side by side with other muslims, christians and jews (jews fighting Israelis), they were his neighboors and his personal friends, and he told me while he was crying about how did he felt when they died in those I cried with him too that day, and now I ask God to have mercy and peace upon thier nobel souls.
The thing that israilies didn't learn yet is that they won't have peace while they are spreading terror, they came and killed jews that resiset them, in the holy land of God ??!!
I want to go to the holy land, I want to pray thier, I want to unite with it's earth, I want to fell the blessings of God their, I love it more than all the Israelis do, cause if Israilies really loved it they wouldn't paint it with blood, they would leave that heaven to all mankind.
Jews were living with us all of the time, they are believers just like us, but Israel isn't a faithful country, you won't get peace, til it's down
I would like to understan you abdu, but there are some logical problems here.
first of all, you`re talking as if israel is a living crime, while its mentioned in all the monotheist books. Jews, you say, had fought against the israelis in 47. this is odd, because after 48 when israel recieved recognition by the nations, jews from all arab countries came to live here and fulfil a strong part of their religious essence as jews. in the bible, a all jews - israelites were in israel, and those who were not in israel were emphasized as DIASPORA. Jerusalem - Al Quds is definitly mentioned as a holy city in the quraan - so I know from reading the holy quraan and reading atricles about all sorts of modern issues in the eye of the quraan. Jerusalem, however, is Not mentioned as the proparty of the arab nations, nor palestine even mentioned in the quran. On the other hand, and here`s a CLEAR point which people all around the world should know about ISLAM: the holy quraan DO order to respect the "sons of Moses's religion" (jews). This is a clear call for awake! these are beautiful and powerful words The holy prophet muhammad, may his soul rest in peace, said, in order to build a basis for peace and harmony between the islamic nation and the jewish people. this reflects as well in the Quraan`s view on problematic issues - like those we have nowadays! You have no idea how brillient the quran is: its says in the holy quran that each issue/ problem/ question which is not clear - must be looked up in the Bible.
now, abdu, you blame israel for being non - faithful, right? well I agree about that. some israelis had lost their faith recently. who says its easy to be a jew?
But, and this is a big BUT, you sound as if israel is the only faithless country in the area. Do you think that countries which are ruled by Dictators, or abuse their founds for TERROR and to fertilize suicider terror are faithful in any way ? Do you?
And while calling israel/ palestine "The Holy Land Of God" do you think what is the origine of this beliefe? be sure that it didnt came from isral or christianity because even the mighty Pharaoh himself knew that there`s a nation calling israel this name.
And bye the way! regarding 1947 - there`s no records of jews fighting jews as a help to the arabs who resisted the exsistance of israel (which ofcourse exsisted in the past and never ceased to exsist, only the roman name that was given to it was more popular).
And final comment on the issue of who started it, you can never know for sure. the records I know, which were never denyed by palestinian historians, are the pogroms in Sefad and Hebron of 1928. Before this year, israel was starting to be reborn - swamps were dried out, agrecultural ground was de-stoned, and most important: infrastructure and foundation were build for transportation! the foundation that were here before that were only a tool made by the britts and the turks for their military needs. and im not even mentioning institution of any social or formal governing ! the place was a peacful waste land - no man's land. it was in contry by Rome, then by the Turks and the Ottman empire: under the control of the turks, israel was conciedered as Palestine, and was attached to Jordan and syria and was called "mighty syria". Later, the Britts ruled here and coudnt deciede what to do here with the place. they were driven out of israel only after the israel freedom militias (which were conciedered as Terror org. yet never hurt anyone which wasnt a soldier! wish terror was like that nowadays, huh?) and then, well.. thats better knowen now. BTW: the the situation that you describe now, regarding jews figting jews in 47, perhaps happened in very seldom occations. how can someone fight with those who fight against his brothers? Must have been a very strange enviroment for that to happen, huh? Nowadays what we have here is Beduine arabs, Druze and Christian arabs, and also Muslim arabs - all living in israel, serve the isreali security arms and defend israel from terror and other disasters.
just for the record: im not saying that isarel is perfect. israel did mistakes just like any other nation which have humans in its control. But blaming israel alone on this matter? Not making any logical sense.
I just want Matti's dream to come true and know that I believe it is VERY possible. VERY
