If Mort Divine ruled the world

[Einherjar86]

Does it disregard it or does the very idea of blackness as a predictor include class, education, socioeconomic opportunities, lifestyle representation etc? I'd assume all these alternative contributing factors are why blackness is a predictor because they're all overwhelmingly part of what it means to be a non-immigrant black person in America.

I think this is a great point. We could use a different word than "disregards." Maybe "elides" would be better--i.e. statistics that frame their findings as the correlation between race and crime conceal the relevance of other potential factors.

Sure there's a little flexibility, but "Black or African American—A person having origins in any of the black racial groups of Africa", to borrow the definition from Dak's link, has a fairly obvious meaning, and isn't too difficult to apply as objectively as possible. The likelihood of the statistics being skewed because of, say, white people being mislabeled as black people, isn't very high.

I have no problem with "as objectively as possible." I'm just skeptical of the idea that statistics don't entail their own perspective.

I also don't think I meant that white people might be confused for black people, not sure if something I said suggested that...

 

[CiG]

I think this is a great point. We could use a different word than "disregards." Maybe "elides" would be better--i.e. statistics that frame their findings as the correlation between race and crime conceal the relevance of other potential factors.

I agree that the other factors should be the focus because you can't solve the problem of having a skin colour but you can attempt to solve cultures of crime, poverty, broken families, heavy handed police tactics, irrational laws etc.

But it's not really people like Dak or myself who expend great amounts of energy fighting to "raise awareness" about black people and how being low class, uneducated, without socioeconomic opportunities is synonymous with being black.

Seems like a bit of a cake eating contradiction here to admit that those things are synonymous with being black but then want the statistics to only focus on the elements that you yourself admit are what makes up a black American's existence. No?

 

[CiG]

Notice how nobody seems to have any problem racializing police shooting statistics btw?

 

[Einherjar86]

I agree that the other factors should be the focus because you can't solve the problem of having a skin colour but you can attempt to solve cultures of crime, poverty, broken families, heavy handed police tactics, irrational laws etc.

But it's not really people like Dak or myself who expend great amounts of energy fighting to "raise awareness" about black people and how being low class, uneducated, without socioeconomic opportunities is synonymous with being black.

Seems like a bit of a cake eating contradiction here to admit that those things are synonymous with being black but then want the statistics to only focus on the elements that you yourself admit are what makes up a black American's existence. No?

I honestly wasn't singling anyone out--just trying to intervene in a conversation about what it means to notice things around us. And I don't want the statistics to only focus on one thing. I'd like them to focus on as much as possible.

 

[Dak]

Regression analyses are employed to determine to what degree different covariates predict certain dependent outcomes. Without actually attempting to build a dataset and employ such an analysis, we can, to some degree, infer that there are much higher degrees of Part 1 Crimes against Persons in places like New Orleans, Baltimore, and Chicago than in other places, even after controlling for things like poverty. It's not even only about race. Males aged, roughly, 16-36, commit these types of crimes at a disproportionate amount, and then more particularly, non-immigrant black and hispanic males. All males follow this age pattern, just to a lesser degree as it pertains to Causcasians, then Asians, then Jews.

 

[CiG]

Liking all these scientists and professors slowly coming out against the SJWs.

 

[rms]

is that AL Franken photo actually bad? I'm blown away here

 

[no country for old wainds]

The white man’s blunders of ‘explorer’ Benedict Allen feed racist myths
Charlie Brinkhurst-Cuff (lel)

the guardian is barely less awful than the sun or mail and i wish people would stop pretending otherwise. even its own commenters mercilessly wreck the majority of its articles.

 

[Dak]

Kind of like the NYT.

 

[CiG]

They give writing jobs to any old ideologically fundamentalist twat these days.

 

[CiG]

#triggered

 

[no country for old wainds]

he stole that joke from the RAF guy who did the same thing a couple months ago. fortunately penis jokes are timeless. imagine being the guy from the US navy who had to come out and give a straight-faced statement about how unacceptable it was.

 

[rms]

after Lena Dunham already betrayed her 'tribe,' we see some nice bullshit hypocritcal bumbling here by one Chelsea Handler. Enjoy for the lol's

 

[CiG]

I don't think I can handle 50 minutes of the Bill Maher show, how do people actually watch this cunt?

 

[Dak]

Oh yes.

 

[Einherjar86]

I don't think I can handle 50 minutes of the Bill Maher show, how do people actually watch this cunt?

He's an asshole, and not a very smart one.

 

[rms]

Haha I made a timestamp to the moment in the vid if you don't want to bother with him

 

[CiG]

Apple accidentally hired a black woman with a brain (rather than the token they clearly wanted) and after she said diversity isn't just about gender or skin colour, she's been fired. But no, the leftist cunts never get anybody fired ever that's a right-wing lie.

http://nypost.com/2017/11/17/apples-diversity-chief-lasts-just-six-months/

 

[CiG]

"Jordan Peterson is basically Hitler" - the death throes of academia.

 

[Dak]

JP is smarter than 95% of people.