If Mort Divine ruled the world

I didn't say "white males" lol.

I really don't know how to word such a search but right off the top of my head a politician over here Mark Latham got reamed for talking about alcoholism and domestic violence in indigenous Australian communities. You see it on TV here so much, especially on programs like Q&A.

No "some Indian" refers to the bartender whom they didn't personally know. She was just some Indian bartender.

I Googled "Mark Latham aboriginal alcoholism" and found a neutral interview, a story accusing him of tokenism for something unrelated to alcoholism, and other stuff that failed to show him being attacked for mentioning alcoholism among those people.

No, she was an Indian bartender, a specific person. If he wanted to make it a specific reference, he knows English well enough to say "that Indian" at the very least, and he is presumably intelligent enough to recognize that saying "that Indian" instead of "that bartender" or "that thief" carries a lot of sociopolitical baggage.
 
That's fair enough, I'm sure there's a lot of reading material out there you could use to measure the man, if this is anything to go by: http://scholar.google.ca/citations?user=wL1F22UAAAAJ

Those are social science papers though. That's outside of Ein's area. Frankly personality research is even out of my area if we want to get specific. I imagine the papers on fiction reading and psychological constructs might at least be interesting to him.

Yeah, I'll give them a try. Cheers.

Lots of humanities academics take the time to publish beyond academic venues (e.g. L.A. Review of Books, or The Atlantic, or The Guardian, or Aeon Magazine, etc.). I've tried to find something like that by Peterson, but haven't come across anything (granted, I also haven't looked super hard).

You probably sat through an undergraduate 100-level lecture once and assumed that's all it was, a bunch of guys sitting around memorizing and regurgitating "the data", which fall from some magical place in the sky, or perhaps purely from the subjective interpretations of some silly scientist that doesn't realize he knows nothing.

That is exactly what happened.

I also find this humorous considering how fondly I've written of science on this forum.

[Chomsky is] a brilliant guy with an encyclopedic mind willing to take on issues many aren't, but he's still a political hack at the essence of it all, and frequently makes up or exaggerates data to make a point.

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Chomsky is a two trick pony. One trick is linguistics, the other is assigning all geopolitical problems to American foreign policy. Now, the modern nature of Academia generally requires one to be a one trick pony in that domain. That Chomsky has a second trick is nothing to denigrate. However, like many such persons, he often looks like a hammer in search of nails.
 
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He assigns all problems period to American foreign policy. And corporations, which of course run all American foreign policy. His anti-free trade, woe be the foreign working class schtick sounded great in the 70s, not so great now that neoliberal globalism has improved the world's standard of living unlike anything else ever seen in history. Reading some of his writings from that period is as embarrassing as reading conservatives insist up through the late 80s that HIV was some magical homo virus. He is just blatantly wrong and ignorant on it.
 


More for my reading on epigenetics:

https://aeon.co/essays/science-in-flux-is-a-revolution-brewing-in-evolutionary-theory

I take issue with his reading of Kuhn, in which he seems to put forward a misreading of Kuhnian paradigm shifts; but that's pretty tangential to the overall subject of the essay.

Huh.

Well, some preliminary comments to demonstrate my curiosity yet also my suspicion, in response to some of his comments:



I'm not sure why he assumes it's so shocking. I actually think it makes a lot of sense.

For what it's worth, I fucking love reading about math even though I have little understanding of the specifics. I'm fascinated by early-twentieth-century mathematics and the fallout of logical positivism, as Wittgenstein's Tractatus all but spelled out its doom. I think the mathematical quandaries that arose from the work of David Hilbert, Kurt Gödel, and Alan Turing are some of the most interesting and substantial breakthroughs in the history of modern science. Why do "post-Heideggerian Comparative Lit departments" need to be shocked or perturbed by this, or even doubt the relevance of such discoveries?

Furthermore, I'm not over-generalizing by projecting my own fascination onto the majority of humanities scholars. If anyone bothers to actually talk with humanities scholars about mathematics, they'll find at worst indifference, and at best affirmation (my dissertation advisor has an undergraduate degree in mathematics, in fact). Our current Buzzfeed golden boy, Ted Chiang, wrote that a "proof that mathematics is inconsistent, and that all its wondrous beauty was just an illusion, would, it seemed to me, be one of the worst things you could ever learn." Deleuze, Derrida, and Lacan were all interested with mathematics, and not with the notion that it was a "social construct" (I get really tired of this being the go-to criticism of the humanities, by the way).

Deleuze and Guattari write that it "was a decisive event when the mathematician Riemann uprooted the multiple from its predicate state and made it a noun, 'multiplicity.' It marked the end of dialectics and the beginning of a typology and topology of multiplicities."

For Derrida and Lacan, mathematics issued a challenge analogous to the one stated in the blog, i.e. the Kantian dilemma of analytic vs. synthetic knowledge. The analogous challenge has to do with language--or more specifically, the subject's relation to the letter:



In other words, Lacan proceeded according to his own brand of positivism; but he went on to incorporate the post-Hilbert rupture of mathematics, what Hilbert called the Entsheidungsproblem, which in turn led to the halting problem and Gödelian incompleteness. For Derrida, mathematics manifests in the uncertainty relation between the spectator and a work of art--a framing problem, or parergon in Derrida's terminology. Mathematicians were fascinated by the question of how to verify solvability; continental philosophers were fascinated by the question of how to verify meaning. It's no coincidence that mathematical language and models found their way into continental thought, since both fields encountered the same dilemma (which yes, has its roots in Kant).

Additionally, Alain Badiou's entire philosophy is built on a reading of Georg Cantor's set theory, and premised on the notion that "mathematics is ontology":



And finally, I'm working on a paper that discusses the relationship between early-20thc mathematics and modernist writing (with which of course the continentals were obsessed). I'm going ahead and providing an excerpt (the paper itself is far from complete):



Given all this, I find samzdat's following comment misguided:



I don't think any notable continental philosopher has forgotten about Kant's influence or the influence of mathematical thought.

Anyway, it's my guess he'll turn eventually to the likes of Hilbert, Gödel, Turing, etc., since these guys basically inaugurated the epistemological crisis of mathematics in the twentieth century.

Those are just three recent examples. So you can stop talking about this now.

It's not a great surprise. I think what I said was completely uncontroversial. Anyone can go read it in his transcripts. It's all there.

Saying that Chomsky became irrelevant in the '70s is one of the dumbest things you've ever said. He published his most famous and influential book, Manufacturing Consent (with Ed Herman) in the 1980s. This book is one of the primary sources that informs some of the position of media skepticism that you and others here adopt.

Furthermore, this book contains copious amounts of "big data" and endnotes to justify their inclusion. The associations aren't irrational or under-researched. In fact, they've been confirmed by additional reporting and subsequent findings. One of my biggest internal conflicts is how to reconcile the fact that media is money.

In other words, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

Chomsky is a two trick pony. One trick is linguistics, the other is assigning all geopolitical problems to American foreign policy. Now, the modern nature of Academia generally requires one to be a one trick pony in that domain. Tbat Chomsky has a second trick is nothing to denigrate. However, like many such persons, he often looks like a hammer in search of nails.

Come on man, how the hell are you unaware of Manufacturing Consent? American foreign policy is the icing on that argument; the cake is media manipulation and propaganda--your favorite!
 
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You would think that media money could pay for better journalists. Of course, good journalism is in low demand so why bother, I guess. Important information can't compete with streaming entertainment.
 
I was parodying Chomsky's general style of speech with that post btw.

Chomsky was hardly the first to realize that close relationships between private media and public officials results in reporting bias. Pre-WW2, American isolationists and sympathizers towards Nazi Germany frequently made that case, for example. When it came time for war to begin and FDR didn't want to go full Wilson, he simply collaborated strongly with Time and other magazines to promote the war effort using stooge reporters. He tries to make a case that corporate mergers consolidate power over the press by setting the starting position around the mid-Cold War period, largely ignoring that media business and government were just as interlinked during the heydays of trust busting and the "progressive" movement.

In the first data table of Manufacturing Consent Chomsky brings to attention the bias in the use of the word "genocide" only when it serves American war purposes. He of course made no qualms of denying Pol Pot's genocide in the 1970s, likely because it represented a conflict of interest with his personal communist-sympathizing beliefs as well as own industry, the highly profitable Cult of Chomsky(tm). He boils everything down to some kind of insidious corporate profit motive without realizing that humans are simply innately biased machines which must be strictly trained to process data objectively if they have any hope of it at all. At the root of Chomsky's entire existence is nothing more than the world's feistiest underdog cheerleader. He sounds like an objective critical thinker because he attacks the most obvious arguments of the most powerful targets.
 
Most recently, we have the complete complicity of the traditional media with the anti-Trump deep state, or however you would like to refer to the powers that pervade DC.
 
I was parodying Chomsky's general style of speech with that post btw.

Chomsky was hardly the first to realize that close relationships between private media and public officials results in reporting bias. Pre-WW2, American isolationists and sympathizers towards Nazi Germany frequently made that case, for example. When it came time for war to begin and FDR didn't want to go full Wilson, he simply collaborated strongly with Time and other magazines to promote the war effort using stooge reporters. He tries to make a case that corporate mergers consolidate power over the press by setting the starting position around the mid-Cold War period, largely ignoring that media business and government were just as interlinked during the heydays of trust busting and the "progressive" movement.

In the first data table of Manufacturing Consent Chomsky brings to attention the bias in the use of the word "genocide" only when it serves American war purposes. He of course made no qualms of denying Pol Pot's genocide in the 1970s, likely because it represented a conflict of interest with his personal communist-sympathizing beliefs as well as own industry, the highly profitable Cult of Chomsky(tm). He boils everything down to some kind of insidious corporate profit motive without realizing that humans are simply innately biased machines which must be strictly trained to process data objectively if they have any hope of it at all. At the root of Chomsky's entire existence is nothing more than the world's feistiest underdog cheerleader. He sounds like an objective critical thinker because he attacks the most obvious arguments of the most powerful targets.

None of this contradicts anything I've said or rebuts my criticism toward your comments, which specified some such nonsense about Chomsky being irrelevant by the '70s (hilariously incorrect) and about his not relying on data.

Prior to Chomsky and Herman's book, no one had developed such an extensive model of media manipulation (in the West, at least)--which has, of course, now been given its own name: the "propaganda model" of media bias.

Then you do a side shuffle and change the topic--"Okay, he used data to discuss the use of 'genocide,' but he has no problem ignoring genocide!!!"

I should point out that I'm not even a fan of Chomsky's politics! More often than not, I disagree with the guy. But that doesn't mean I think his work is a hack job. Just because you find his interpretive conclusions shitty doesn't mean the research behind them is flawed.

Most recently, we have the complete complicity of the traditional media with the anti-Trump deep state, or however you would like to refer to the powers that pervade DC.

I won't even try to argue with the content of this post--suffice it to say that it simply makes my point about the importance and influence of Chomsky's 1988 model.
 
No, it's just that even the military-industrial complex-complicit media has its limits when it comes to true unabashed evil, and Trump is it. It's really quite elementary. Power structures are evil. Those in power control the power structures. Corporate money anti-communist boogieman scapegoat Reagan-era language propaganda. Therefore, I'm right.

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None of this contradicts anything I've said or rebuts my criticism toward your comments, which specified some such nonsense about Chomsky being irrelevant by the '70s (hilariously incorrect) and about his not relying on data.

Prior to Chomsky and Herman's book, no one had developed such an extensive model of media manipulation (in the West, at least)--which has, of course, now been given its own name: the "propaganda model" of media bias.

Then you do a side shuffle and change the topic--"Okay, he used data to discuss the use of 'genocide,' but he has no problem ignoring genocide!!!"

We can play this game all day, but you'll always be on the run.

He's irrelevant to reality beyond the 70s. He's very relevant to the people with fringe beliefs that need a token smart guy to back them up, which is how he has been able to amass such a nice following. The data provided in virtually all of his works that I've seen and all of his speeches that I've heard amounts to large compilations of anecdotes in the form of a nicely-cited argument, but only the most basic rigorous analysis at best. Anyone can paste together a hundred examples of news stories calling X a genocide and Y something else. Ask Chomsky to do it along multiple axes of metrics, e.g. correlating the numbers killed in a violent political incident to the number of times said incident is referred to as a genocide, and you'll always come up blank. He has a long history of poor scholarship regardless, making his ability to merely cite things and regurgitate facts questionable without extra scrutiny.
 
I'm deleting the text of this comment because I really don't want to pursue, of all things, a debate over Noam Chomsky's relevance. It's astounding to me that it's even up for discussion.
 
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I rather enjoyed this interview. It's extensive, but I'm finding I get a lot more out of long form/low pressure formats like this or Joe Rogan's where folks can elaborate their views without constantly being interrupted by some far-left or far-right host trying for a "gotcha!" moment soundbite. Perhaps it's just what I've been watching, but it seems like a lot of folks are being driven from the left not out of any broad ideological rift, but simply for not agreeing 100% with the increasingly illiberal Democratic party. I've noticed this in my personal life even, with previously very left/liberal friends seemingly going apolitical. They still hate Trump, but can't stomach toeing the Democrat party line any more. There's definitely a want for both sides to come to the center.

Anyway, the video:

 
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Not that long, whole thing is worth reading:

http://induecourse.ca/the-problem-with-critical-studies/

Reading through these books, I discovered a whole new set of cryptonormative terms that I had perhaps been vaguely aware of, but had not realized how important they were. There is obvious stuff like “neocolonial” and “racializing” (always bad), but there is also the term “stigmatizing.” Stigmatization is, apparently, always bad. Anything that stigmatizes anyone else is bad. In some cases, entire bodies of empirical research, which might introduce a bit of moral complexity to the analysis of a particular situation, were swept aside on the grounds that they are “potentially stigmatizing” to oppressed groups. Thus the potential for “stigmatization” served as all-purpose license to ignore inconvenient facts (an egregious display of normative confusion).

In any case, it seems to me fairly obvious why these books are written in the way they are. The authors feel a passionate moral commitment to the improvement of society – this is what animates their entire project, compels them to write a book – but they have no idea how to defend these commitments intellectually, and they have also read a great deal of once-fashionable theory that is essentially skeptical about the foundations of these moral commitments (i.e. Foucault, Bourdieu). As a result, they are basically moral noncognitivists, and perhaps even skeptics. So they turn to using rhetoric and techniques of social control, such as audience limitation, as a way of securing agreement on their normative agenda.

This is – perhaps needless to say – not how critical theory was supposed to be done.
 
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I feel like that piece illustrates some issues that many of my colleagues and I have with contemporary academic criticism, and probably some issues that don't come forward in most of my comments here. Obscurantism and "bafflegab" really are problems in some scholarly writing, and I've felt personally privileged to work in a department where that kind of writing does not fly. It's been ingrained in me to define terms and specify what the object of my analysis is (which also is not always a political topic), and the professors here are very critical of politicized buzzwords. That's not to say one can't use them, but one needs to define them and specify their application.

Because of this development, my relation to older theorists is conflicted, especially since I find Foucault to be a wonderful and mostly lucid writer (no doubt because I've spent years reading his work). But I am suspicious of his later work, which is when he began focusing on neoliberalism. This word is really misused, I think, among contemporary scholars. I've pointed out before that according to some definitions, neoliberalism describes Clintonian politics, yet the same people who decry neoliberalism probably voted for the Clintons.
 
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