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No need to apologize, but I'm kinda losing interest in this.
Np.
Damn, his posts are always so long.
Yeah, took two sittings bookending final thesis work to make it through to the end.
I can bash Peterson without the attack on "postmodernism." The more things I read the less impressed I am with Peterson. Nathan Robinson just published a very entertaining critique on Current Affairs, in which he actually takes Peterson's writing to task (for which I'm grateful, since there's no way I'm slogging through that shit). Long story short, he basically accuses Peterson of either promoting vapid platitudes (e.g. "be yourself," "be honest," etc.), presenting obvious ideas as profound insights, or making no sense at all. He quotes a lot in this piece, and it merely confirms my suspicions.
https://www.currentaffairs.org/2018/03/the-intellectual-we-deserve
A Harvard trained sociologist should be familiar with basic psychology/economic theories like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loss_aversion, which tells me he is either being intentionally misleading in misinterpreting those quotes, or ignorant. Neither are a good look. Peterson's writing in Maps of Meaning appears terrible, from the brief scan of a PDF version. That seems to be about the only defensible critique I have yet to see and it's rather irrelevant. I see two things in a lot of critiques of Peterson: Academics going after his non-academic writing style (rather than his writing in his peer-reviewed academic work), and people (mostly academic progressives or people who follow them on twitter) reacting to the subtle evisceration of their unsubstantiated ideals with petty mocking and weakmanning (Robinson makes no apologies for his brand of idealism in his
Incidentally the Samz[]dat piece was somewhat a takedown of the Robinsonian? type idealism which gets revealed in this snippet:
There’s no good reason for turning to evolution and the animal kingdom for moral advice
Now Robinson and Pinker aren't the same person but I dare say they are closer in ideals than not:
Let’s say that Pinker’s ideal world exists, it allows the most reasonable people to try and flourish. But what if “flourishing” requires things above level-2 irrationality? Even your elites won’t be worth anything, you’ll just have cut off a real human experience over a ridiculous and ancient ideal. Are people good? What if “the best human experience” requires a few unpleasant things in it? What about cruelty? Domination? Violence? Frivolousness? I’m not trying to be an edgelord here – you get that we’re animals, right? If you build a society for non-animal humans, then you have built an ideal society for ideally no one. “This is a nice world.” Yeah, a nice world where everyone is miserable. “But at least they aren’t hot-tempered.” What [in] the [world] would you be affirming besides your own egotism?