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Einherjar86
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Yes, but there was no disproportionate response to the roundhouse dude. That's why I called out the comparison of the two episodes.
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What made it disproportionate to begin with? Harris was with a group of several other men who were in the process of committing physical aggression against a single man. Harris was quickly separated from the group after others witnessed him swinging a flashlight at the single man. I already said that I don't have an issue with multi-year sentences for those that joined in after Harris was already neutralized, the issue is that Harris started the entire act of violence with a deadly weapon and received no charges on the defense that he had bad aim.
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Are you saying that if the pozzed Canadian had his face smashed open, you'd be opposed to him being charged with assault?
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In the present case, it wasn’t a situation of heightened tension and we have it on video.
In the case of Harris, he was accosted by men who openly identify with white supremacy. We have no video of what happened prior to the assault, and I’m willing to believe Harris’s claim that he lashed out with a flashlight to protect his friend. Given the state of affairs that day, I think it’s significantly different than the roundhouse kick dude.
In the case of Harris, he was accosted by men who openly identify with white supremacy. We have no video of what happened prior to the assault, and I’m willing to believe Harris’s claim that he lashed out with a flashlight to protect his friend. Given the state of affairs that day, I think it’s significantly different than the roundhouse kick dude.
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To be fair, the powers that be really do try to hide information, so for a guy like Einherjar to find video evidence within his usual CNN/Vox/whatever bubble is too much to expect of him. Recently, four more arrests were made of right-wing attendees of the Charlottesville protests, members of some fight club-ish thing called Rise Above, on charges of incitement of riot and assault. Within hours their official YouTube channel had apparently deleted itself, which hosted definitive video proof that one of the now-arrested (held without bail) was acting in self-defense. I haven't been able to find the video since then, and wouldn't be surprised if it stays offline forever.
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I don't think it really matters whether there is footage or not, that shit only validates what the right already know about the left's tendency to initiate the violence and the centrists will use it as fodder for their endless fence-riding videos and articles about "muh idiots on both sides."
The left start from a premise that people like Harris are under attack every day and so they never start it. Their violence is justified regardless of the situation.
The left start from a premise that people like Harris are under attack every day and so they never start it. Their violence is justified regardless of the situation.
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Protesters were screaming "white power" and "are you going to let our democracy die" at senator Manchin, this is hilarious.
Edit: Divisive free speech advocate Jordan Peterson calls on Judge Kavanaugh to stand down if confirmed to the Supreme Court.
Edit: Divisive free speech advocate Jordan Peterson calls on Judge Kavanaugh to stand down if confirmed to the Supreme Court.
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Vegard Pompey
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A 400+ word article on a 6-word tweet. Nice clickbaity headline too, a single throwaway tweet in a conversation with a friend is now a "call for Kavanaugh to step down". Gotta love modern journalism.
But I do like seeing Peterson not taking the conservatives' side for a change.
But I do like seeing Peterson not taking the conservatives' side for a change.
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The one time he does and it's a pretty retarded position he's taken.
Not that I really buy the implication that siding against far-leftism = siding with conservatives.
Not that I really buy the implication that siding against far-leftism = siding with conservatives.
Vegard Pompey
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I don't agree that you would have to be a far-leftist to oppose Kavanaugh's nomination.
Anyway, more context on this tweet: Peterson was replying to a series of tweets by Bret Weinstein in which he explained that both outcomes would be unacceptable, because 1) Kavanaugh being confirmed would mean placing a person of questionable integrity on the Supreme Court, and 2) Kavanaugh not being confirmed would set a dangerous precedent, in which a Supreme Court nomination can be veto'd by accusation. JBP's tweet was a proposed solution to this no-win situation.
Anyway, more context on this tweet: Peterson was replying to a series of tweets by Bret Weinstein in which he explained that both outcomes would be unacceptable, because 1) Kavanaugh being confirmed would mean placing a person of questionable integrity on the Supreme Court, and 2) Kavanaugh not being confirmed would set a dangerous precedent, in which a Supreme Court nomination can be veto'd by accusation. JBP's tweet was a proposed solution to this no-win situation.
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Didn't say that, I'm talking about your implication that Peterson has a history of siding with conservatives.
It was the definition of a pretty pointless centrist opinion, one which makes Peterson look ethical and correct regardless of what happens.
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You seem to think you have some objective view on reality from the outside or some such. You're just as susceptible to paranoia and bias as everyone else, and you're reading these videos the way you want to.
The first video shows practically nothing. The second video shows a group of men pulling on a flag and Harris striking the man with a flashlight after he claims the man tried to use the flag to ram his friends. Nothing here is definitive about anything. Talking about "proof" that Harris attacked first is confirmation bias and seeing exactly what you want to see in the visual evidence.
I'm not saying Harris is innocent or undeserving of retaliation. I am saying that the video evidence of the later sequence (i.e. the white guys beating the shit out of him) is demonstrably worse than either of those two videos. In both of the videos you posted, we can see people pulling on a flag and brief physical assault. The video of Harris's beating is an extended sequence of assault by multiple actors assaulting one person (emphatically not an inanimate object like a flagpole).
EDIT: put it this way--there is such a thing as an appropriate response. The response by the rioters at C-ville was inappropriate and disproportionate in the extreme. They continued to attack Harris after he no longer posed any threat, if he even did in the first place (and sure, he probably did; but neither of the videos above are proof that his attack was the "first").
In the case of the pro-choice kick, that was an inappropriate reaction to which the victim showed remarkable restraint. Hell, I'd have been fine if she pushed him back; but she didn't, and that guy's suffering the consequences for it. The entire video is fairly conclusive and the situation is clear. That's not the case in any video evidence of Harris's "first" assault.
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