If Mort Divine ruled the world

[CiG]

i had to actually look up what TDS was

Did it link you back to your crybaby posts here on the forum?

 

[Blurry_Dreams]

hahaha

 

[Blurry_Dreams]

so then this happened

Ecosexuals Believe Having Sex with the Earth Could Save It - VICE

 

[CiG]

 

[The Ozzman]

 

[EternalMetal]

so then this happened

Ecosexuals Believe Having Sex with the Earth Could Save It - VICE

Is this shit for real?

"people who roll around in the dirt having an orgasm covered in potting soil," she said. "There are people who fuck trees, or masturbate under a waterfall."

I stopped reading at this point.

 

[Dak]

https://twitter.com/a_centrism/status/1138329729080184832?s=20

 

[CiG]

 

[Einherjar86]

Dumb study. The trolley problem scenario is good for nothing other than virtue signaling. It's an imagined scenario in which people can fantasize their ideal moral behavior. There's nothing inherently better in hypothetically saving an even mix of black and white people, or more white than black people, or more black than white people. They're all irrational and insubstantial outcomes.

Ideology isn't what people believe they'd do, but what they actually do.

 

[CiG]

If it was the reverse people would probably say "well of course, conservatives are racist" or something to that effect.

 

[Einherjar86]

You're right, they probably would.

 

[Dak]

Dumb study. The trolley problem scenario is good for nothing other than virtue signaling. It's an imagined scenario in which people can fantasize their ideal moral behavior. There's nothing inherently better in hypothetically saving an even mix of black and white people, or more white than black people, or more black than white people. They're all irrational and insubstantial outcomes.

Ideology isn't what people believe they'd do, but what they actually do.

You're more or less right, but the point is that the liberals did exactly what would have been predicted: virtue signal. Conversely, conservatives didn't.

 

[Einherjar86]

My point is that every possible decision one could make with regard to the trolley problem is a virtue signal, unless one doesn't take it seriously.

 

[Oblivious Maximus]

https://media-analytics.op-bit.nz/

Fascinating.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

My point is that every possible decision one could make with regard to the trolley problem is a virtue signal, unless one doesn't take it seriously.

How? From what I can tell, they weren't asking people to save one group or the other. They asked half of a sample about saving a bus of "whites" (the Philharmonic Orchestra), and the other half about saving "blacks" (the Harlem Jazz Band). It is expected that there might be a difference between liberals and conservatives on utilitarianism, i.e. that conservatives would save members of the bus less often than liberals overall, but a perceived racial bias in when to apply utilitarianism was only shown among liberals, in favor of blacks.

 

[CiG]

"White saviour complex"

 

[Einherjar86]

How? From what I can tell, they weren't asking people to save one group or the other. They asked half of a sample about saving a bus of "whites" (the Philharmonic Orchestra), and the other half about saving "blacks" (the Harlem Jazz Band). It is expected that there might be a difference between liberals and conservatives on utilitarianism, i.e. that conservatives would save members of the bus less often than liberals overall, but a perceived racial bias in when to apply utilitarianism was only shown among liberals, in favor of blacks.

Well, generally speaking, my objection here doesn't even have to do with the specifics of this thought experiment. The trolley problem tells us next to nothing about the way people's ethics/morals impacts actual behavior; all it does is reveal an individual's ideal moral attitude abstracted from reality. In the trolley problem scenario, a person does what they assume is most virtuous (i.e. of the highest moral value). In that respect, every choice one could make is a virtue signal; you're imagining what you think the most virtuous line of action is. Trolley problem decisions aren't translatable (or are barely translatable) into real-life scenarios.

More specifically, the original tweet did a poor job of representing the study. Its exact language is: "If given the choice between saving from death a trolley full of white men or one filled only with black men, conservatives were split fairly evenly on which to save, but a majority of liberals chose to save the trolley containing only black men." I assumed that's what the study demonstrated.

That being said, the study does still include a dimension of racial disparity in the choices offered, either: save 100 white men by killing one black man, or save 100 black men by killing one white man.

I don't often encounter studies like this in my work, but I find it curious that the study apparently tried to elicit from its participants identifications based on stereotypes. Why not simply ask the participants whether they'd choose to save 100 white men by killing one black man, or 100 black men by killing one white man?

 

[CiG]

Those liberals need unconscious bias training.

 

[Einherjar86]

I would like to point out that the white protagonist of Gravity's Rainbow's name is Tyrone. That's the first thing I think of when I hear the name. I's so enlightened.

 

[CiG]

I always think of Tyrone Biggums because I'm low culture lmao.