If Mort Divine ruled the world

[Einherjar86]

My point is that every possible decision one could make with regard to the trolley problem is a virtue signal, unless one doesn't take it seriously.

 

[Oblivious Maximus]

https://media-analytics.op-bit.nz/

Fascinating.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

My point is that every possible decision one could make with regard to the trolley problem is a virtue signal, unless one doesn't take it seriously.

How? From what I can tell, they weren't asking people to save one group or the other. They asked half of a sample about saving a bus of "whites" (the Philharmonic Orchestra), and the other half about saving "blacks" (the Harlem Jazz Band). It is expected that there might be a difference between liberals and conservatives on utilitarianism, i.e. that conservatives would save members of the bus less often than liberals overall, but a perceived racial bias in when to apply utilitarianism was only shown among liberals, in favor of blacks.

 

[CiG]

"White saviour complex"

 

[Einherjar86]

How? From what I can tell, they weren't asking people to save one group or the other. They asked half of a sample about saving a bus of "whites" (the Philharmonic Orchestra), and the other half about saving "blacks" (the Harlem Jazz Band). It is expected that there might be a difference between liberals and conservatives on utilitarianism, i.e. that conservatives would save members of the bus less often than liberals overall, but a perceived racial bias in when to apply utilitarianism was only shown among liberals, in favor of blacks.

Well, generally speaking, my objection here doesn't even have to do with the specifics of this thought experiment. The trolley problem tells us next to nothing about the way people's ethics/morals impacts actual behavior; all it does is reveal an individual's ideal moral attitude abstracted from reality. In the trolley problem scenario, a person does what they assume is most virtuous (i.e. of the highest moral value). In that respect, every choice one could make is a virtue signal; you're imagining what you think the most virtuous line of action is. Trolley problem decisions aren't translatable (or are barely translatable) into real-life scenarios.

More specifically, the original tweet did a poor job of representing the study. Its exact language is: "If given the choice between saving from death a trolley full of white men or one filled only with black men, conservatives were split fairly evenly on which to save, but a majority of liberals chose to save the trolley containing only black men." I assumed that's what the study demonstrated.

That being said, the study does still include a dimension of racial disparity in the choices offered, either: save 100 white men by killing one black man, or save 100 black men by killing one white man.

I don't often encounter studies like this in my work, but I find it curious that the study apparently tried to elicit from its participants identifications based on stereotypes. Why not simply ask the participants whether they'd choose to save 100 white men by killing one black man, or 100 black men by killing one white man?

 

[CiG]

Those liberals need unconscious bias training.

 

[Einherjar86]

I would like to point out that the white protagonist of Gravity's Rainbow's name is Tyrone. That's the first thing I think of when I hear the name. I's so enlightened.

 

[CiG]

I always think of Tyrone Biggums because I'm low culture lmao.

 

[Blurry_Dreams]

Is this shit for real?



I stopped reading at this point.

seemed to be a real article
please tell me if it's one of those fake-article-things

 

[Blurry_Dreams]

when someone says the name Tyrone
i always hear "you better call Tyrone / but you can't use my phone"

 

[Blurry_Dreams]

so then this happened

stonewall riots 50th anniversary - Google Search

 

[CiG]

BREAKING: Oberlin College Just Got Hit With $33M in Damages Over Coordinated Attacks On Gibson Bakery.

RedState writer Sarah Lee did a piece on it and here’s some of the story:

Oberlin College just lost a lawsuit against a small bakery named Gibson Bros. Bakery, a family-owned small business that had survived the Great Depression, two World Wars, and the social upheaval of the 1960s only to be nearly put out of business by the social justice warriorism of 2019.

The Gibson Bros. Bakery and owners — three generations of Gibsons who have owned and operated the store since the late 1880s — were awarded $11 million Friday, which could double next week once punitive damages are awarded. They were targeted by Oberlin College as racist for simply stopping shoplifters from stealing. There were protests and boycotts led by Oberlin students that culminated in a two and half year legal ordeal for the family. The Gibsons had to lay off nearly a dozen employees and couldn’t pay themselves while the trial wore on.

 

[The Ozzman]

Good.

 

[CiG]

 

[CiG]

The Daily Beast reach a new low. I like how they say the guy who made the viral video has been "secretly running hard-right pages" as if it was some covert operation.

Fuck journalists, fuck the media. They really are trying to prove correct the idea that they're the enemy of the people.

Edit: and the black guy they doxed turned out to not even be the right person, he just mirrored the viral video, he didn't make it lmao.

 

[Blurry_Dreams]

BREAKING: Oberlin College Just Got Hit With $33M in Damages Over Coordinated Attacks On Gibson Bakery.

RedState writer Sarah Lee did a piece on it and here’s some of the story:

Oberlin College just lost a lawsuit against a small bakery named Gibson Bros. Bakery, a family-owned small business that had survived the Great Depression, two World Wars, and the social upheaval of the 1960s only to be nearly put out of business by the social justice warriorism of 2019.

The Gibson Bros. Bakery and owners — three generations of Gibsons who have owned and operated the store since the late 1880s — were awarded $11 million Friday, which could double next week once punitive damages are awarded. They were targeted by Oberlin College as racist for simply stopping shoplifters from stealing. There were protests and boycotts led by Oberlin students that culminated in a two and half year legal ordeal for the family. The Gibsons had to lay off nearly a dozen employees and couldn’t pay themselves while the trial wore on.

is it just me or is anyone else getting sick-and-tired of the whole "black lives matter" thing
at this point it's like "no, black lives really don't matter, fuck the black people"

 

[CiG]

I'd have no problem with a movement like that if they were honest actors. But they do deserve credit for being instrumental in getting cops to wear body-cams now.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

I'd have no problem with them if their platform wasn't built on violence against white people and the right to not face self-defense over it. Fuck overzealous murderous cops but double fuck anyone that thinks they have a right to assault me. Tie that in with the Democratic Party now being the party of ethnic irredentism, and the whole of idpol can die in a fire.

 

[CiG]

Also if they actually addressed black on black violence that runs amok in the black community. Police violence against blacks in America is a drop in the bucket by comparison.

 

[The Ozzman]