If Mort Divine ruled the world

[Dak]

I'm fine with allowing people with their own earned resources who claim GD to spend their fortunes on crafting their body to their preference, no less than I'm fine with people doing the same for other reasons via exercise, diet, and plastic surgery. This is not, however, something that should be subsidized by society or visited on impressionable and confused youth.

 

[Dak]

You’re conflating the molestation of male children by adult males with homosexuality. Attraction of adult males to male children does NOT translate into attraction to adult males. Pedophilia is an entirely different kind of sexual orientation than heterosexuality or homosexuality.

When you post shit like this, you continue to perpetuate ignorant stereotypes that assume gay adults experience the same kind of sexual attraction toward children.

https://www.khou.com/article/news/l...time/285-becf3a0d-56c5-4f3c-96df-add07bbd002a

 

[Einherjar86]

And? Please explain.

 

[Dak]

And? Please explain.

 

[Dak]

When trying to operate in the motte, the LGBTQ+++ is bound as tightly together as can be. When operating in the bailey, they are spaced as far apart as possible.

 

[Einherjar86]

Excuse me, are you suggesting that an example of correlation means causation? I'm confused, because you're refusing to actually explain in clear terms.

 

[Dak]

Excuse me, are you suggesting that an example of correlation means causation? I'm confused, because you're refusing to actually explain in clear terms.

There was pushback against gay rights in the 80s and 90s suggesting a "slippery slope" of acceptance of all sorts of sexual "preferences." This was, of course, roundly rejected as a "slippery slope" argument, instead of a recognition of a Chesterton Fence. Trans praise was almost immediate with gay marriage legalization. Pedophilia and Beastiality isn't "the same thing", but sexual deviation from the norm is not as rigid as "bailey" arguers like to submit. Sexuality is more "fluid" for the people for whom it is more "fluid", particularly when we are already talking about 5%> of the population.

 

[Einherjar86]

Is this your idea of clarity?

 

[Dak]

Is this your idea of clarity?

It's 1000x more clear than 20th century Continental Philosopher prose, and borrows the liberal usage of quotation marks, so I don't know why it wouldn't be clear to you. If you're not familiar with motte and bailey references for some reason then I can provide this:

https://heterodoxacademy.org/the-motte-and-the-bailey-a-rhetorical-strategy-to-know/

 

[Einherjar86]

I'm not going to read that or respond to what you wrote. If you want to continue, rewrite your comment.

Pedophilia isn't a variant of homosexuality, and adult male attraction to male children isn't the same as homosexual attraction. That's what I said and what I'm saying. If you disagree, then say so.

 

[Dak]

I'm not going to read that or respond to what you wrote. If you want to continue, rewrite your comment.

Pedophilia isn't a variant of homosexuality, and adult male attraction to male children isn't the same as homosexual attraction. That's what I said and what I'm saying. If you disagree, then say so.

I never said it was a variant. Pedophilia can exist independently or coexist with homosexuality. A fetish is not the same thing as a sexual orientation. You can't have a sexual orientation to children.

 

[Einherjar86]

I never said it was a variant. Pedophilia can exist independently or coexist with homosexuality. A fetish is not the same thing as a sexual orientation. You can't have a sexual orientation to children.

Well I couldn’t tell what you were saying.

And I don’t disagree. Attraction to children isn’t the same as homo- or heterosexuality. So why all this causal association from people claiming that gay pride is somehow related to pedophilia?

 

[Dak]

Well I couldn’t tell what you were saying.

And I don’t disagree. Attraction to children isn’t the same as homo- or heterosexuality. So why all this causal association from people claiming that gay pride is somehow related to pedophilia?

Because the LGTBQ+++ flag is already such a wide tent within a small fraction it captures that extra .5% deviant. It's not "related" in the sense that a father is related to a son, but that sort of relation is of no account in this sense anyway.

 

[Dak]

Separate post: I'm sick of people with no children making posts/having opinions about children and/or the future.

 

[Einherjar86]

Because the LGTBQ+++ flag is already such a wide tent within a small fraction it captures that extra .5% deviant.

No it doesn’t. You’re saying that if someone’s a pedophile, then they fall under the LGBTQ flag; but that’s simply untenable. What about male pedophiles who abuse female children? If your argument holds, then the deviation belongs to the heterosexual community as much as it belongs to the gay community. But no one’s saying that adult men abusing female women is related to heterosexuality.

 

[CiG]

There is a study which shows that many children who claim they feel like the opposite gender just end up growing up to be a homosexual (and others straight or bisexual). This doesn't mean transgenderism isn't a thing and can't be self-knowledge at a young age, but just that we should wait before transitioning and not start it at such young ages.

also @CiG what part of gender-affirmation for trans children is 'irreversible' it isn't like people are taking their 7 year olds to have bottom surgery

Referring to post-puberty treatment that includes blockers and hormones that will irreversibly change a developing body. This usually starts as late as age 13, and there are many voices pushing for these treatments to start younger and younger. These things can also increase cancer risk and can lead to sterility.

These aren't decisions that should be made by kids/tweens.

 

[Dak]

No it doesn’t. You’re saying that if someone’s a pedophile, then they fall under the LGBTQ flag; but that’s simply untenable. What about male pedophiles who abuse female children? If your argument holds, then the deviation belongs to the heterosexual community as much as it belongs to the gay community. But no one’s saying that adult men abusing female women is related to heterosexuality.

No I'm not. I'm saying that pedophiles can fall under either, but they only get some protection and praise under the former, and otherwise it's all getting exposure and coverage in the Catholic Church expose. Men abusing women has nothing to do with pedophilia so???

 

[Einherjar86]

They don’t get protection under the former. Stop being a drama queen.

 

[Dak]

They don’t get protection under the former. Stop being a drama queen.

Trans didn't get praise either until they did. The current year is new every year. Cultural change is a thing.

 

[CiG]

But no one’s saying that adult men abusing female women is related to heterosexuality.

I would. (I assume you mean female children, not female women, lmao).

Pedophilia is a deviancy that exists within both hetero and homosexuality. The pervasive nature of hebephilia seems to bridge them in fact. Though I would say apologism for hebe/pedo deviancy is worse among heterosexuals. Example; adult female teacher has relations with student, society cheers.