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It sounds like you're saying that urban residents walk and cycle and that there's an obesity problem in rural areas. I don't see how that reverses in twenty years because boomers are dying off.

Additionally, what I've read suggests that people in rural areas are more likely to suffer from depression and other mental health issues than urban residents.

There are quite a few contingent factors such as age, IQ, education and income (correlates with IQ), and race. Holding those constant, urban environments are bad for mental health. I'm suggesting that outside of some age and IQ related exceptions, they are bad for physical health as well. Urban environments have a much higher static mental load and decrease natural opportunities for physical exertion. I do want to be clear when I say urban I don't mean your average 100kish city or near sister, I mean the major urban areas. NYC, Boston, LA, Houston, etc.

Edit: Also natural opportunities for nature exposure, which is the point of the linked study.
 
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Lead (chemical) theory of criminality boost in the US at least partially disproven. Theory of Warren Court enabling of crime gains probability.
 
How did the Warren Court enable crime? afaik most of the relevant decisions made then (desegregation, Miranda rights, tainted evidence, etc) are still in effect today.
 
There are quite a few contingent factors such as age, IQ, education and income (correlates with IQ), and race. Holding those constant, urban environments are bad for mental health. I'm suggesting that outside of some age and IQ related exceptions, they are bad for physical health as well. Urban environments have a much higher static mental load and decrease natural opportunities for physical exertion.

I don’t see how you can make such blanket statements when there are so many contingent factors and when the study you cite is limited by multiple variables including time constraints—i.e. maybe what it suggests is that limited exposure to forest bathing is good for mental health, but extended exposure isn’t. You’re making huge qualitative leaps.

As I already said, recent studies suggest that mental health issues such as depression are worse among rural residents than urban. Furthermore, actual access to medical care is far more limited in rural areas than it is in urban.

Finally, I don’t know what you mean by “natural opportunities” other than running through greenery. Cities like Boston, Houston, NYC, etc. have running paths, they have plenty of room for people to exercise, and they afford plenty of opportunities for people to walk on a daily basis. Lots of people in the cities don’t hop into their cars to go to the store, as many do in rural areas. And even if people do take public transit, they’re often running to catch the bus.
 
Didn't know who that was until I scrolled down to read the brazillian wax bit. Not sure whether its pedophiles or the overly-litigious deserve that deserve ropes the most.
 
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You always making one big correlation between two distant ass cultures :lol:

BTW, it's hard keeping up with this damn site with a jobbie, how have you adults done this for so long?

Japan is more densely urbanized than the US. If lead from fuel usage was the cause for the rise in crime in the US, why wouldn't we see a similar effect in other industrialized nations?

I don’t see how you can make such blanket statements when there are so many contingent factors and when the study you cite is limited by multiple variables including time constraints—i.e. maybe what it suggests is that limited exposure to forest bathing is good for mental health, but extended exposure isn’t. You’re making huge qualitative leaps.

As I already said, recent studies suggest that mental health issues such as depression are worse among rural residents than urban. Furthermore, actual access to medical care is far more limited in rural areas than it is in urban.

The studies are mixed on where things are worse, other than "Premature death," which may be linked to depression, but it's so far been tied to ongoing economic depression in more rural and semi-urban areas away from the coasts. Yes, access to medical care among many other things is more geographically limited. But there are other limiting factors that may be more salient. Not to mention that for the chronically poor, getting across a large city is no less difficult than getting between cities in more rural areas.

Finally, I don’t know what you mean by “natural opportunities” other than running through greenery. Cities like Boston, Houston, NYC, etc. have running paths, they have plenty of room for people to exercise, and they afford plenty of opportunities for people to walk on a daily basis. Lots of people in the cities don’t hop into their cars to go to the store, as many do in rural areas. And even if people do take public transit, they’re often running to catch the bus.

There are large inequities between what the majority of people in large cities experience and what the small number of successful professionals experience. The working poor don't have time and/or money to take advantage of gyms or parks/walking paths. The indigent mostly won't take advantage of them. I don't see how riding the subway or sitting in traffic is "healthy." There's no automatic improvement in diet simply by being "in" a major urban area. Major cities are a playground for the successful few.
 
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The studies are mixed on where things are worse, other than "Premature death," which may be linked to depression, but it's so far been tied to ongoing economic depression in more rural and semi-urban areas away from the coasts. Yes, access to medical care among many other things is more geographically limited. But there are other limiting factors that may be more salient. Not to mention that for the chronically poor, getting across a large city is no less difficult than getting between cities in more rural areas.

Actually, it is less financially difficult if you're comparing the price of public transit to the price of gas for commuting by car for an hour each way.

There are large inequities between what the majority of people in large cities experience and what the small number of successful professionals experience. The working poor don't have time and/or money to take advantage of gyms or parks/walking paths. The indigent mostly won't take advantage of them. I don't see how riding the subway or sitting in traffic is "healthy." There's no automatic improvement in diet simply by being "in" a major urban area. Major cities are a playground for the successful few.

Your rhetoric is misleading and obfuscating. You make it sound as though the people who get to enjoy public spaces in cities are some privileged minority, which isn't true at all. Even the lower middle class has time for exercise.

I can only infer that your judgment of what counts as the "successful few" is also skewed. I assume that you'd include graduate students in that group; yet, being a member of that group (as are you, but I think you tend to extricate yourself from it), I can attest to the fact that grad students barely scrape by financially. I'm in the minority of that group purely because my wife works in corporate tax. All my colleagues either pay for cheaper housing, take second jobs, or make do by other means. And yet grad students routinely exercise and work out. Having a lower-middle class income doesn't mean you have no time for physical health. You make it sound like exercise is a luxury only the wealthy can afford. That's simply not true.

Finally, nothing you're saying suggests that the physical health of rural residents is somehow going to surpass that of urban residents in twenty years. Even if all your critiques of urban living stand, rural living offers no correctives.
 
Actually, it is less financially difficult if you're comparing the price of public transit to the price of gas for commuting by car for an hour each way.

I'm sure, but how many rural people are commuting that far?Even if they are, the health effect is a wash even if it's financially more difficult (I don't know the cumulative cost of bus fares/subway usage; gas prices fluctuate but are often cheaper compared to large coastal city gas prices, but maybe by not enough).

Your rhetoric is misleading and obfuscating. You make it sound as though the people who get to enjoy public spaces in cities are some privileged minority, which isn't true at all. Even the lower middle class has time for exercise.

I can only infer that your judgment of what counts as the "successful few" is also skewed. I assume that you'd include graduate students in that group; yet, being a member of that group (as are you, but I think you tend to extricate yourself from it), I can attest to the fact that grad students barely scrape by financially. I'm in the minority of that group purely because my wife works in corporate tax. All my colleagues either pay for cheaper housing, take second jobs, or make do by other means. And yet grad students routinely exercise and work out. Having a lower-middle class income doesn't mean you have no time for physical health. You make it sound like exercise is a luxury only the wealthy can afford. That's simply not true.

While graduate students are financially restricted, they do get access to university amenities (which usually includes a conveniently located exercise facility) at a minimum, and are cognitively and typically conscientiously gifted enough to find time to work on their health (although my experience is that there's some extremes at each end in this category of people).

Lower middle class persons might have time, but will they have the interest, finances, or general access? I know when I have worked at minimum wage jobs I could count on one hand the number of people I knew who discussed regular exercise. They go home and watch TV or go out to eat or maybe attend their kids extra curriculars. Of course, exercise and getting out in nature aren't necessarily the same thing, but in terms of access to do either in an urban environment there are many barriers, both material and mental (I'm physically tired from my job, exercise is for rich people, for white people, etc) for the indigent and working poor. At least in smaller towns, one doesn't have to go out of one's way to get a bit more nature in their field of view. For instance, I can stand in the middle of my street and turn in a circle and always have more trees than I can accurately count in my field of view, and I'm more or less in the middle of town, and there are whole neighborhoods like this. The only ones not like this are brand new exurb developments where they bulldoze everything and build a bunch of medium-large houses on small lots.

You can't tell me these different environments don't have different or have negligible effects on the psyche:
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Finally, nothing you're saying suggests that the physical health of rural residents is somehow going to surpass that of urban residents in twenty years. Even if all your critiques of urban living stand, rural living offers no correctives.

It's a matter of the old, sickly rural boomers dying off. Age plays a substantial role in the more rural/urban differences in medical diagnoses among the many metabolic diseases.
 
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