In the aftermath, an honest question about anti-American sentiment.

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After the tragic events of this past Tuesday, I've been hearing anti-American sentiment a lot. But since this is the only messageboard I frequent with a global flavor, I would like to pose this question to all without starting any anger:

What has America done for the world to hate it so?

I don't want to sound naive, but I'd like to get a feel from the other side. I will always stand behind America, because I am truly proud of it. But I also believe that other opinions are based on facts, and with a lot of hate in these threads lately, I would like to keep this discussion civil - please.

I'm looking for specific incidents or economic sanctions and such, not just finger pointing and name calling. I am a curious person.
 
The USA has bombed these countried since 1945, in all of them, innocent people died:

China 1945-46 and 1950-53
Korea 1950-52
Guatemala 1954 and 1960
Indonesia 1958
Cuba 1959-60
Congo 1964
Peru 1965
Laos 1964-73
Vietnam 1961-73
Cambodia 1969-70
Guatemaña 1967-69
Grenada 1983
Libya 1986
El Salvador and Nicaragua all the 80's
Panama 1989
Iraq 1991-99
Sudan 1998
Afghanistan 1998
Yugoslavia 1999


I also despise their damn capitalism, overly foolish superiority sense and patriotism, and the damn lack of freedom of mind in their people. hell, thanks to the USA and their freedom (even without the likely war we're about to presence) in five decades this world won't be able to sustain life in the ways we know. of course the US alone is not entirely guilty of this, but has contributed a lot.
 
Well id make a list of all the countries we've helped but it would take me 3 times as long to make than your list, and anyway I think in rowanda or someplace there was a genocide of 800,000 dead, we dont do anything about it and every bitches us out.

Is it true? -> "only the strong will survive?"
 
the strong survives while the weak dies only in such a nonsense, stupid capitalist system. hell, you actually think the US gets into foreign conflicts because they have such good moral spirits? imbecile.

americans have a twisted way of looking at things anyway.

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My take in the rough:

1) America authors policies etc that sometimes (callously) neglects the welfare of other nations, which, I add in defence, simply means America is not perfect.

2) America is the greatest super power. Consequently, it becomes the most scrutinized, the most criticized, its blemishes become magnified. Those who aren't american typically will be the more passionate about pointing out its faults. Here the psychosocial dynamics of resentment and envy become politicized and surface, not surprisingly, quite abruptly during events such as the recent one, or as a general rule, during times of misfortune.

America can be criticized on grounds of *1* but what does this prove? Simple answer, a little something to americans naive enough to think their country is omnibenevolent, and absolutely nothing to those who are already aware of the fallible course of American policies etc in the global stage. However, America's standing as an agency for the ideals I deeply endorse (constitutional guarentees to basic human freedoms, individuality, the pursuit to happiness, and democratic government) isn't contradicted on these grounds. It is what it is and it remains what it is indisputably.

Anti-american sentiment happens as an antithetical assertion against the naivety that holds america is "great and perfect." Otherwise it transpires more to the purpose of either *2* (ie., people get jealous and ill-willed towards other people who are greater, and do the same towards nations, and will feel the need to protest) or this: some people, living in a democratic nations, are actually socialists, hate capitalism, and would rather see the world dominated by totalitiarian regimes etc etc. To the latter group of misguided teenaged rebels (read leper affinity), a hearty FUCK YOU! Learn to appreciate the rights in which you had the luxury to think up such cliched two-dollar nonsense. (there goes the civility. Sorry metalmancpa!)
 
personally i don't hate america, what i've said (although mostly on other boards) that has been labled anti-american is simply disagreeing with americans over the fact that this was a 'terrible crime committed against innocents by maniacs'...

what happen on tuesday was terrible, but compared with what america has done to iraq and palestine (through supplying and suporting israel) it is nothing

i dont understand the american reaction, which just seems to be one of 'how can we make this situation worst?'...who else can we bomb?...

ppl in Europe in general don't hate america (although some kids on the inet may give that impression), they have no real reason to...esp. the older generation who see that they have alot to be grateful to america for...however, for younger ppl 2 generations removed from ww2 and such, all they see is a country which uses 25% of the world resources, pulls out of anti-racism, human rights, and pro-enviroment treaties/organisations, and spreads McDonalds and such over every sq inch of their country (not realising that most of these companies are francishes and so it is french ppl who bring McDonalds to france not americans...however, your beer really is shit tho...no realy it sucks...) so overall you might get the impression that they don't like america, but this is a long way from hating americans fullstop.

ppl in the many other areas of the world (someone above seems to have posted a fairly comprehensive list) however, do hate americans and with good reason, atleast as good, and in most cases better, as the reasons that many americans have for hating arabs (and i have seen some disgusting racism from americans over the last week, and for many years before, for that matter)...

ask yourself this, esp. if your one of the ppl who has been spouting all this 'lets bomb them all' crap...if another country completely crippled your nations economy, destroyed everything you ever had, killed members of your family, supplied and supported your enemies who ever day shot and bombed your country men indiscrimately, left your nation without a means of properly defending itself much less taking the battle to the ppl who were doing you harm, how would you react? if the only way you had of bringing harm to your enemies was to hijack a plane and crash it into a building, or plant a bomb at a subway station; would you do it?

terrorism is a word to discribe the actions of your enemies so that their actions seem less legitiment and more cowardly than yours...look at the french resistance for example, would you call them terrorists? they planted bombs at train stations, they assassinated and murdered, they even attacked girls who they believed to be having relations with germans...yet as they were on our side their heroic resistance fighters, partisans, brave guerilier fighters etc. to many in the middle east the attackers of tuesday are heroes, to you their terrorist, to you the soldiers of the gulf war are heroes, to many in the middle east they're the terrorists...

if 19 ppl (at the very least) hate america enought to get into planes and kill themselves in a desperate attempt just to harm americans, any americans; then you really should wonder why...to dismiss them as fanatics or mad men will only guarantee that this happens again...america, like someone else was saying in the other thread, is a democracy which means that you can control what your government does...so when you sit in you comfy chair, in your big house and demand that your government bombs afganistan (one of the poorest countiries in the world), then 3 years later an afgan whos home was destroyed and family killed comes (none of whom were terrorists) and blows up your ppl, you have to ask yourself, are you really that innocent? if you support a government which murders ppl who have do right to claim innocence when someone murders your ppl, in a society as free as america where you can quite easierly register your complaint, not doing anything is as good as pulling the trigger yourself
(btw have you ever seen afganistan? seriously when you see your CNN before and after shots you won't be able to tell the difference, that place is fucked already...they've had 10 years of civil war, and then the islamic-communist conflict before that (america helping the islamic side btw) and they have no money to rebuild...it really is one of the most pathetic targets ever suggested for a bombing raid, you could destroy the entire capital and you probably would cause damage equal to the cost of one cruise missle)

sorry that quite abit of the above went off the topic a bit...but once i start i tend to go on...
 
Originally posted by E V I L
My take in the rough:

1) America authors policies etc that sometimes (callously) neglects the welfare of other nations, which, I add in defence, simply means America is not perfect.

2) America is the greatest super power. Consequently, it becomes the most scrutinized, the most criticized, its blemishes become magnified. Those who aren't american typically will be the more passionate about pointing out its faults. Here the psychosocial dynamics of resentment and envy become politicized and surface, not surprisingly, quite abruptly during events such as the recent one, or as a general rule, during times of misfortune.

America can be criticized on grounds of *1* but what does this prove? Simple answer, a little something to americans naive enough to think their country is omnibenevolent, and absolutely nothing to those who are already aware of the fallible course of American policies etc in the global stage. However, America's standing as an agency for the ideals I deeply endorse (constitutional guarentees to basic human freedoms, individuality, the pursuit to happiness, and democratic government) isn't contradicted on these grounds. It is what it is and it remains what it is indisputably.

Anti-american sentiment happens as an antithetical assertion against the naivety that holds america is "great and perfect." Otherwise it transpires more to the purpose of either *2* (ie., people get jealous and ill-willed towards other people who are greater, and do the same towards nations, and will feel the need to protest) or this: some people, living in a democratic nations, are actually socialists, hate capitalism, and would rather see the world dominated by totalitiarian regimes etc etc. To the latter group of misguided teenaged rebels (read leper affinity), a hearty FUCK YOU! Learn to appreciate the rights in which you had the luxury to think up such cliched two-dollar nonsense. (there goes the civility. Sorry metalmancpa!)


*ahem*, so Europeans whoa ctually have a higher level of culture than the average American actually hate them just because they're jealeous? that sounds more like a convenient excuse, dude.

and do you EVEN know what socialism is about? or you just base yourself in COMMUNIST regimes like the now extinct Soviet Union, China or Korea?

there's a problem with people, I notice when they hear a simple insult they must immediately ignore the thread and label its author as immature and angst-ridden.

here's a nice site for you to read: www.demockery.org
 
I've never bombed anyone. I've never held a harsh feeling for anyone based on race/religion/etc. I'm not responsible for the death of anyone. Why should -I- be the object of scorn? I can't take responsiblity for all the poor decisions my country has made. I could tell Bush to mind his own bee's wax, but do you think he'd listen to me?

I don't see what the point of any of this is. I too have a problem with the way America goes about it's business, but I can't do a damn thing about it. If I could change it all, I would. But I can't..so what now? Is everybody just going to continue to hate one another until we wipe each other out?

If I come across as trying to sound helpless, It's because that is how I've felt lately. I can't change the way my government works.
 
Well put Mr. Black, youve let me observe through other peoples eyes. But what empire would not want to rid the world of its enemys? Do you think peace through power is a solution?
 
OctoberVision,

this anti-american feeling is aimed toward your government's policies and those who support them. of course people cannot generalize all Americans into such categorization. there are always exceptions to the rule, and those are not to be flamed.
 
Originally posted by Leper Affinity



*ahem*, so Europeans whoa ctually have a higher level of culture than the average American actually hate them just because they're jealeous? that sounds more like a convenient excuse, dude.


People will resent being dominated by other people whom they'd rather think of as relatively inferior. Behaviorally, they will jump at the chance to pick out weaknesses should they surface and especially during times of distress. I've seen it on every stage of life, from the playground and now here in politics. Bottom line: America dominates. Are you disputing this?

and do you EVEN know what socialism is about? or you just base yourself in COMMUNIST regimes like the now extinct Soviet Union, China or Korea?

I parry the question back to you. Do YOU know what socialism is? To give an admittedly unscholastic answer, I understand socialism is an umbrella term for a number of things. In basic, or popularly, these things are variants of a collectivist theory of government and social policies, policies for a reform usually radical in their scope, usually advocating a proletarian redistribution of wealth. I won't attempt to define it any further than that as I'm no scholar. I'm at odds with this because this is often another form of what the author, for instance, of your signature (Nietszche) termed (in the french) resentimente It is the expression of a nihilistic inversive will to castrate natural values, and punish the strong. And by what means? Totalitarian.

there's a problem with people, I notice when they hear a simple insult they must immediately ignore the thread and label its author as immature and angst-ridden.

I neither ignored the thread nor perceived your other posts as insulting. There is a problem i notice about people who accuse others of not thoruougly reading threads, in order to avoid the responsibility of owning up to the thoughts they have espoused.
 
Originally posted by Juggie
Well put Mr. Black, youve let me observe through other peoples eyes. But what empire would not want to rid the world of its enemys? Do you think peace through power is a solution?

well its been tried before by every empire that ever existed, they've all fallen...it is imposible to lord over a ppl for an extended period of time, they just won't accept it...look at your own war of independence...the only time when invasions do hold in the long term is when the distinctions between the invader and the invaded are forgotten, there is no racial/nationalist conflict between English ppl of anglo-saxon and celtic or norman decent because to start with the vast majority of ppl wouldn't be able to tell the difference, much less care...although i believe that a few normans in france want independence, as they don't count themselves french (being of Nor Man - Norseman - Norwegian descent) if ppl remember their differences they'll eventually come to conflict, even if its just political...its unlikely that an a palestinian and a american are ever likely to consider themselves of the same nation...esp. as america's empire is one built of political and economic influence rather than actual invasion and settlement, followed by intermariage etc. you're really only left with two options then

1) kill all of them: and i mean ALL, not a popular choice i'd hope, and i think you'd find that even your strongest allies would move against you if you tried this...
2) leave them alone: which is the option that america will probably choice or beforced to take if left it to late...Britain used to own/control Palestine, Aden, Egypt and Iraq...but not any more, they were forced out/ decided it best to leave before things got to bad...before them there was the Greeks, Pursians, Romans, Byzantium, Islamic Empire, Crusaders, Ottoman Empire, French and so on...this isn't unique to the middle east but it just seems to happen their more often...you can't control another ppl for an historically long period of time...in the end all trying does is cause death and resentment

i don't understand why america feels it has to support israel so much. a few weeks back i saw a post spammed across newsgroups organising a campagin against a radio station in a america run by some right winger...amogst the list of accusations against him were:

calling african americans 'savage negro-beasts', refereing to homosexuals as fags and soddomites, refereing to mixed race mariages as the work of satan, attacking Israel over its treatment of Palestinians, refereing to the chinese as canibals, and so on...can you spot the odd one out? do many americans really feel the actions of israel are beyound reproach?
 
Originally posted by E V I L


People will resent being dominated by other people whom they'd rather think of as relatively inferior. Behaviorally, they will jump at the chance to pick out weaknesses should they surface and especially during times of distress. I've seen it on every stage of life, from the playground and now here in politics. Bottom line: America dominates. Are you disputing this?




i think you over estimate american influence in europe, i live in Britain which is easierly the most americanised and american-allied of all the european countries...yet very little of my daily life is influenced by america, much less "dominated" ... given the language difference the effect of american culture is even less in other countries...

america has had an influence on many aspects of british culture but this only truely noticable to most ppl in terms of mass-entertainment (music, television, films, fast food etc.)...

most of the films i see are american and most of them are crap (this isn't because they american, it just because america is the best nation in the world at producing low-brow, english language 'blockbusters'...england used to do it, now you do..no great loss...america produces some really good films, but so does every other country...good films are art, crap films are a product to be produced by which ever nation has the competative advantage at doing so.

a few of TV programs i watch are american, but most are british made...a sense of humour difference means i prefere british comedy shows, and i can live without "when stunts go bad" and the like, there are a few american shows i like tho...hardly what i'd call domination

most of the music i listen is british, some more of it is european (mostly scandinavian...this is an opeth board, so that shouldn't be to supprising), but a far bit...say 25%...is american, again hardly domination...

i never eat at mcdonalds...its fecking skank

British foreign policy is pretty much dominated by America, but this isn't really supprising and i don't have much of a problem with to be honest...but i think you'll find that the French tell you to fuck off on a daily bases and so do many other countries...so again hardly domination

theres matter of interest rates and such, but due to the euro this is again mostly a british thing rather than european, and i don't anyone has ever hated anyone over .25% in interest rates (unless everyone you speak to on the net is in the loans business)

this whole debate seems silly to me, it seems to be based on the assumption that if you disagree with something america does you're anti-american, and if your anti-american its because you're jealous...it has nothing to do with that...we just want you stop bombing people, before more ppl get killed this isn't anti american, its anti-needless death
 
Originally posted by Mr. Black


i think you over estimate american influence in europe, i live in Britain which is easierly the most americanised and american-allied of all the european countries...yet very little of my daily life is influenced by america, much less "dominated" ... given the language difference the effect of american culture is even less in other countries...

america has had an influence on many aspects of british culture but this only truely noticable to most ppl in terms of mass-entertainment (music, television, films, fast food etc.)...

most of the films i see are american and most of them are crap (this isn't because they american, it just because america is the best nation in the world at producing low-brow, english language 'blockbusters'...england used to do it, now you do..no great loss...america produces some really good films, but so does every other country...good films are art, crap films are a product to be produced by which ever nation has the competative advantage at doing so.

a few of TV programs i watch are american, but most are british made...a sense of humour difference means i prefere british comedy shows, and i can live without "when stunts go bad" and the like, there are a few american shows i like tho...hardly what i'd call domination

most of the music i listen is british, some more of it is european (mostly scandinavian...this is an opeth board, so that shouldn't be to supprising), but a far bit...say 25%...is american, again hardly domination...

i never eat at mcdonalds...its fecking skank

British foreign policy is pretty much dominated by America, but this isn't really supprising and i don't have much of a problem with to be honest...but i think you'll find that the French tell you to fuck off on a daily bases and so do many other countries...so again hardly domination

theres matter of interest rates and such, but due to the euro this is again mostly a british thing rather than european, and i don't anyone has ever hated anyone over .25% in interest rates (unless everyone you speak to on the net is in the loans business)

this whole debate seems silly to me, it seems to be based on the assumption that if you disagree with something america does you're anti-american, and if your anti-american its because you're jealous...it has nothing to do with that...we just want you stop bombing people, before more ppl get killed this isn't anti american, its anti-needless death


Black,

I was expanding upon a previous staement i had issued to metalmancpa's inquiry "why the anti-american sentiment?" For this I ascribed "jealous resentment" as one scenario (of many). You misunderstood the quote (took it out of the context where I was dealing with certain gists and emotions in leper affinity's post)
 
I AM AN AMERICAN, AND IM NIETHER PROUD, NOR ASHAMED TO SAY SO. THIS COUNTRY HAS A LOT OF THINGS WHRONG WITH IT, BUT IT ALSO HAS ALOT OF GOOD POINTS. I COMPLETLY AGREE WITH WHAT WAS SAID ABOUT AMERICA BOMBING INNOCENT PEOPLE FOR YEARS TO PROTECT IT'S "INTERESTS". I HAVE TRIED TO EXPRESS THIS TO MANY PEOPLE HERE THAT YES, IT IS TERRIBLE WHAT HAPPENED IN NEW YORK AND WASHINGTON DC, BUT WE WERE NOT ATTACKED FOR NO REASON, AND AS A MATTER OF FACT, WE DESERVE A LOT WORSE, AND I WAS MET WITH HUGE BACKLASH! MANY PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY ARE SO BLIND AND IGNORENT THAT THEY FAIL TO SEE THE TERRIBLE THINGS THIS COUNTRY HAS DONE. THEY THINK WE WERE ATTACKED FOR NO REASON. BUT I JUST HOPE THAT PEOPLE IN EUROPE AND ELSEWHERE WILL REALIZE THAT NOT ALL OF US AMERICANS ARE ARROGENT, IGNORANT ASS HOLES. IF YOU WERE TO WATCH AMERICAN TV, OR READ OUR MAGAZINES, YOU WOULD THINK EVERY AMERICAN ONLY LISTENS TO BRITANY SPEARS AND LIMP BIZKIT! THIS IS NOT TRUE, I REALIZE THAT THIS SHIT IS ALL JUST DISTRACTIONS TO MAKE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE NOT THINK ABOUT THE REAL BAD SHIT GOING ON.BACK TO MY POINT, NOT ALL AMERICANS ARE MORONS. I LISTEN TO ALL TYPES OF MUSIC, FROM BEETHOVEN TO MARDUK TO OPETH AND MORBID ANGEL, AND I CAN SEE THROUGH ALL THE BULLSHIT THE AMERICAN CAPITALIST SYSTEM PUTS OVER MY EYES, UNLIKE MANY OF MY COUNTRY MEN
 
It's a fascinating and frightening scenario, having only one world power. The course of history from this point out is going to be determined heavily by the U.S.'s retaliation to the terrorist attacks and the popular opinion internationally pertaining to the morality of that action.

I question my own ability to objectively assess the morality of the foreign policy of the U.S. (as if one could "objectively" assess morality, heh. Anyhoo...) because the perspectives that exist are so contrasting and there are so many. People (that article by the Canadian journalist) have argued that the U.S. foreign policy has had positive impacts on the post-WWII world because of the Truman Doctrine and Marshall Plan. Others have shown how many dozens of countries innocent civilians have dies in as a result of U.S. bombings. A lot of Canadian media comes out of the U.S. - I'm subject to most of the same media bias as your average american.

What I would attempt to do at this point is urge everybody (literally EVERYBODY) to come to the realization that past events have occured and nothing can be done to "make up" for them. Did the U.S. help some countries? Yes. Did they bomb others? Yes. Did they turn deaf ears to those wanting help from terrorism, until it affected them directly and dramatically? It certainly seems that way. Was this a mistake? Yes.

The Americans should admit their self-serving foreign policy mistakes of the past and invite ANY NATIONS WILLING to join in an anti-terrorist front that is NOT dictated by Washington, but rather an open forum for debate on how to disarm this dangerous force whose threat is truly global. People "over there" have had to deal with terrorism their whole lives, they know a bit more about it than the American government that's only recently come to take it seriously enough for drastic measures.

No individual american person accounts for the negative worldwide sentiment - it's the attitude determined by foreign relations and in this regard a simple "We screwed up, we don't know everything, let's all actually work together NOW like we should have before, but didn't because we were naive to this life-destroying threat." would go a long way to dispell the stigma of American arrogance, wouldn't you think? And it just might actually move the world forward on a positive front, and away from the looming war we all fear.

Of course, this all accounts for that people can let go of the past. Naively optimistic on my part, perhaps, but I, like I wish the powers of the world could, am trying to look at mending and peaceful solutions rather than a push towards more international anger, and war.
 
Originally posted by E V I L


People will resent being dominated by other people whom they'd rather think of as relatively inferior. Behaviorally, they will jump at the chance to pick out weaknesses should they surface and especially during times of distress. I've seen it on every stage of life, from the playground and now here in politics. Bottom line: America dominates. Are you disputing this?


What America dominates is mainly in military terms. Indeed, most of what Latin America tries to do is nothing but copy the American culture, which I find despiseable. Besides, that is just the position of ignorant Latin America, and not of Europe, nor Asia. Jealeously? I think that maybe the more likely explanation is that jealousy has just become a convenient excuse. If you think someone is against you simply because they're jealous, that somehow excuses you from defending yourself. People absolve themselves from guilt, from explanation and from personal accountability simply by pointing the finger of jealousy at their detractors. Americans keep on evading the negative sides of their situation, since they are considerably more than the positive. Freedom? Liberty? Basic principles? My ass. America is pretty screwed up in cultural terms. Last year's elections were mainly acts of bread and circus, just like they were in ancient Rome. You actually dare to say that system has given you freedom when all you are and all you have been since the independence are slaves of thought and will.



I parry the question back to you. Do YOU know what socialism is? To give an admittedly unscholastic answer, I understand socialism is an umbrella term for a number of things. In basic, or popularly, these things are variants of a collectivist theory of government and social policies, policies for a reform usually radical in their scope, usually advocating a proletarian redistribution of wealth. I won't attempt to define it any further than that as I'm no scholar. I'm at odds with this because this is often another form of what the author, for instance, of your signature (Nietszche) termed (in the french) resentimente It is the expression of a nihilistic inversive will to castrate natural values, and punish the strong. And by what means? Totalitarian.

I'm a humanistics student, so I'm frankly more acknowledged with this topic than you probably are. For once, let me give you some statistics just for you to look at what the capitalist system has done to the world:

Today of the approximately 6 billion people in the world, it is estimated that at least a billion live in abject poverty, lives cruel, empty, and mercifully short. Another 2 billion eke out life on a bare subsistence level, usually sustained only by one or another starch, the majority without potable drinking water or sanitary toilets. More than 2 million more live at the bottom edges of the money economy but with incomes less than $5,000 a year and no property or savings, no net worth to pass on to their children.

That leaves less than a billion people who even come close to struggling for lives of comfort, with jobs and salaries of some regularity, and a quite small minority at the top of that scale who could really be said to have achieved comfortable lives; in the world, some 350 people can be considered (U.S. dollar) billionaires (with slightly more than 3 million millionaires), and their total net worth is estimated to exceed that of 45 per cent of the world's population.

In the U.S., the most materially advanced nation in the world and long the most ardent champion of the notion of progress, some 40 million people live below the official poverty line and another 20 million or so below the line adjusted for real costs; 6 million or so are unemployed, more than 30 million said to be too discouraged to look for work, and 45 million are in "disposable" jobs, temporary and part-time, without benefits or security.

The top 5 percent of the population owns about two-thirds of the total wealth; 60 percent own no tangible assets or are in debt; in terms of income, the top 20 percent earn half the total income, the bottom 20 percent less than 4 percent of it.

All this hardly suggests the sort of material comfort progress is assumed to have provided. Certainly many in the U.S. and throughout the industrial world live at levels of wealth undreamed of in ages past, able to call forth hundreds of servant-equivalents at the flip of a switch or turn of a key, and probably a third of this "first world" population could be said to have lives of a certain amount of ease and convenience.

Yet it is a statistical fact that it is just this segment that most acutely suffers from the true "comfortable disease," also called "affluenza": heart disease, stress, overwork, family dysfunction, alcoholism, insecurity, anomie, psychosis, loneliness, impotence, alienation, consumerism, and coldness of heart.


The Worldwatch Institute (http://www.worldwatch.org), which issues annual accountings of such things, has warned that there is not one life-support system on which the biosphere depends for its existence -- healthy air, water, soil, temperature, and the like -- that is not now severely threatened and in fact getting worse, decade by decade.

Not long ago a gathering of elite environmental scientists and activists in Morelia, Mexico, published a declaration warning of "environmental destruction" and expressing unanimous concern "that life on our planet is in grave danger." And recently the U.S. Union of Concerned Scientists (http://www.ucsusa.org), in a statement endorsed by more than a hundred Nobel laureates and 1,600 members of national academies of science all over the world, proclaimed a "World Scientists' Warning to Humanity" stating that the present rates of environmental assault and population increase cannot continue without "vast human misery" and a planet so "irretrievably mutilated" that "it will be unable to sustain life in the manner that we know."

But your almighty capitalist system won't listen. Thanks to it, the world economy has grown by more than five times over in the last 50 years and is continuing at a dizzying pace to use up the world's resources, create unabating pollution and waste, and increase the enormous inequalities within and between all nations of the world.


I neither ignored the thread nor perceived your other posts as insulting. There is a problem i notice about people who accuse others of not thoruougly reading threads, in order to avoid the responsibility of owning up to the thoughts they have espoused.

whatever you say.
 
I lived in the USA for the past 4 years and I became somewhat Americanized, but still I don't have a lot of affection towards the United States. Despite the fact that US bombed my "ex" country, I don't like America because it is the only country in the world that is as equally ignorant as it is arrogant. I don't hate American people because that would be very wrong; I dislike all people equally no matter where they are from. But I digress. I also don't like how hypocritical USA is. America preaches democracy to the rest of the world, while she herself doesn't practice it. I lived under a communist regime most of my life, but in some ways I was more free over there than I am here. Unfortunately, most Americans do not realize this, and if I tried to explain it to any of them I have a feeling that I would be strongly opposed.

I have no problems with capitalism; in fact it's my favorite thing about America. I don't like Bush and American chocolate.

On a more military side, America practices a very dirty form of imperialism. In the old days a nation would send her soldiers across the border to invade and conquer their neighbor, and that was the end of it. Very little propaganda and shit like that. America, on the other hand, plays an important role in starting a conflict between two or more groups of people within a certain country. After the conflict grows into a full-blown war, US sends her "peace keeping" troops to that land, shortly after which the war stops and US is in control of the place. Very intelligent, but also a very unscrupulous way of expanding it's territory.

Besides the above named issues I have absolutely no problems with United States.
 
Originally posted by Mr. Black
i never eat at mcdonalds...its fecking skank

I agree!

British foreign policy is pretty much dominated by America, but this isn't really supprising and i don't have much of a problem with to be honest...but i think you'll find that the French tell you to fuck off on a daily bases and so do many other countries...so again hardly domination

Kinda sad since we brought France out of Econimic chaos in the 1950's

we just want you stop bombing people, before more ppl get killed,this isn't anti american, its anti-needless death

NO SHIT LOOK WHAT THEY DID TO US LAST TUESDAY!