Is Graveland Racist?
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I wish people would, because I think it pretty much covers the whole race thing as succinctly as one can.
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for what it's worth, jokes aside i actually find your post pretty interesting, it makes me nostalgic for the halcyon days of ANUS prevalence on these boards. ironically i suspect it actually needed to be longer 'cause there's a sense that the scope is way, way too wide for so few paragraphs, and you're just flitting from point to point without fleshing them out or connecting them very clearly - half the time you don't make arguments so much as just state things or make logical leaps as though they're self-evident.
i'm not immune to the idea that the archetypal liberal worldview is deeply short-sighted and egotistical, as folks who i remember my posts in the olden days will testify lol. hell, just spending an hour debating with your average set of twitter or college liberals should be enough to alert anyone to that possibility. i generally just use liberal logic as counterpoint/devil's advocate for non-liberals who, more often than not, are even more lacking in perspective (not to mention empathy). otherwise i leave philosophy and politics well alone even though i'm a philosophy grad because the internet broke my brain a long time ago and id 100% rather just listen to heavy music and jack off. pity me if you will but this is the good life!
i'm not immune to the idea that the archetypal liberal worldview is deeply short-sighted and egotistical, as folks who i remember my posts in the olden days will testify lol. hell, just spending an hour debating with your average set of twitter or college liberals should be enough to alert anyone to that possibility. i generally just use liberal logic as counterpoint/devil's advocate for non-liberals who, more often than not, are even more lacking in perspective (not to mention empathy). otherwise i leave philosophy and politics well alone even though i'm a philosophy grad because the internet broke my brain a long time ago and id 100% rather just listen to heavy music and jack off. pity me if you will but this is the good life!
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reading that post I made again, it is a bit hard to follow. It doesn't help that some of it is just pasted in stuff I wrote ages ago in a tab.
I was literally having this conversation to myself while having a cigarette in my garage, working on the second 12-pack of the night. Something along the lines of this being some perverse microcosmic embodiment of the dialectic so many critical theorists borne of the Continental tradition like to throw around. While air-guitaring to "Dawn of Megiddo".
On a completely different note, I have a question regarding people that disparage "Social Justice Warriors" (as Mort said, this is a silly buzzword that makes you a fucking moron if you use it without a semblance of irony) without getting totally irate; instead falling back on comedic non-sequitirs to avoid the issue. I would completely accept that it's a fucking heavy metal forum, not the appropriate venue to discuss such matters and agree; but I see this happen in real life all of the time.
I mean, I've been friends with Schmidt (Master_Yoda) since high school, and we've had numerous conversations about topics like this since he knows I'm a pinko-lefty SJW, probably furry, or whatever fucked up illusion people that are proud of their complicity in the culture we live in delude themselves into believing. The language he uses is always interesting. It's like he concedes that there are certainly a multitude of fucked up things going on without any tenable solutions, and that it's probably wrong not to investigate the nuances of them; but I'm too busy listening to Summoning, so fuck it.
To me, that's totally cool. So long as there's at least an acknowledgment that there is an issue that is to be taken seriously, but you're too busy worrying about other things, at least it's better than complete insouciance in the face of ugly, eminent social matters.
I mean, I've been friends with Schmidt (Master_Yoda) since high school, and we've had numerous conversations about topics like this since he knows I'm a pinko-lefty SJW, probably furry, or whatever fucked up illusion people that are proud of their complicity in the culture we live in delude themselves into believing. The language he uses is always interesting. It's like he concedes that there are certainly a multitude of fucked up things going on without any tenable solutions, and that it's probably wrong not to investigate the nuances of them; but I'm too busy listening to Summoning, so fuck it.
To me, that's totally cool. So long as there's at least an acknowledgment that there is an issue that is to be taken seriously, but you're too busy worrying about other things, at least it's better than complete insouciance in the face of ugly, eminent social matters.
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I'm right and you're all wrong and everything else is irrelevant.
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If I actually tried to quote and respond to all the fucked up views I've read over the last few pages, the internet would collapse. Actually, UM probably just wouldn't let me post it because it would be too long.
Is Graveland racist? I don't know. That first song is clearly about Saruman.
But then again, The Lord of the Rings is a racist book, so...
Is Graveland racist? I don't know. That first song is clearly about Saruman.
But then again, The Lord of the Rings is a racist book, so...
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Apologies. I must not have been thinking clearly. Tolkien? A mid-century English Tory with nationalist inclinations and questionable opinions on pre-WWII geopolitics? How could his work possibly reflect some form of underlying racial bias?
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Ah, so now mockery is a way of avoiding the issues. :Spin:
There are plenty of people concerned about society and justice that don't devolve into SJWs. But they generally don't agree on the analysis or the "cure".
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