Is Graveland Racist?

Minorities can be racially prejudiced.

Think large scale here though, lets move beyond your podunk Canadian town

Institutional racism is harmful to racial minorities. Way more harmful than a black person saying he hates you because you're white ...

White hurt feelings vs. black lives

For the last fucking time, racism does not necessarily equal institutional racism. An "-ism" suffix usually refers to an ideology; thus, racism is any racially based belief system. You don't have to be in power to be a communist or a fascist, and I don't see people in a rush to redefine those words in such a manner.

Unless you think hate crimes against white people literally never happen (I wouldn't be surprised if you did), you must acknowledge that anti-white or inter-minority racism can result in more than just "hurt feelings." Saying black supremacists are no better than white supremacists is not saying that they are just as dangerous, only that they are morally equivalent.

Also unironic usage of SJW is hint #1 that someone is not to be taken seriously

Funny, I'd say the same thing about unironic usage of "people of color."
 
yea we should just keep calling them all my pals right! or coonywogs if youd prefer

this largely semantic argument is obscuring the original point that affirmative action is clearly a good thing

united aryan evil is cool
 
I'm against AA if only for the fact that most anything controversial I'd opt for the path of less government intervention. Be it pro purple people or anti-orange people.
 
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whites need to stop feeling guilty

blacks need to stop feeling victimized

mexicans need to stop crossing the border illegally

chinks need to stop stealing american jobs

indians need to take a shower

all other latinos are just fancy mexicans

africans can run long distances and show tribal boobs

the english have bad teeth

americans are fat

graveland is better than anything you listen to
 
whites need to stop feeling guilty

blacks need to stop feeling victimized

mexicans need to stop crossing the border illegally

chinks need to stop stealing american jobs

indians need to take a shower

all other latinos are just fancy mexicans

africans can run long distances and show tribal boobs

the english have bad teeth

americans are fat

graveland is better than anything you listen to

You're a hero.
 
Also affirmative action overlooks the most qualified for a job in favor of making a particular race happy, and that's retarded. I encourage it in some applications but there's really no logical reason to sacrifice efficiency.
 
Also affirmative action overlooks the most qualified for a job in favor of making a particular race happy, and that's retarded. I encourage it in some applications but there's really no logical reason to sacrifice efficiency.

from the perspective of the employer there's no logical reason, hence government intervention. mort's picture above was already a perfect counter-argument to this kind of thinking though. what's "retarded" is that the scales are already tipped so drastically that affirmative action is the only thing that can make our society vaguely fair. the reason the people most qualified for jobs are generally white males is because of their institutional advantages, there's no reason to think minorities don't have exactly the same talent for a role, but they don't get anything like the same support, opportunities etc because they're on a lower rung of the societal hierarchy.

ironically, white males who get rejected for a job position solely due to some kind of affirmative action quota are actually going through the exact same kind of shitty experience that minorities have suffered through for generations, and will continue to go through until something is done. it's worth thinking about that before getting up in arms about political correctness. to me, the overarching benefit of affirmative action is that it helps normalise the idea of poc/female presence across the spectrum of roles/industries in the collective consciousness, changing attitudes so that future generations hopefully won't have to face the same obstacles nor have any *need* for affirmative action. if you really want a society where employment is based on some kind of innate merit/qualification, then affirmative action seems like a necessary stepping stone toward making it that way.
 
whites need to stop feeling guilty

blacks need to stop feeling victimized

mexicans need to stop crossing the border illegally

chinks need to stop stealing american jobs

indians need to take a shower

all other latinos are just fancy mexicans

africans can run long distances and show tribal boobs

the english have bad teeth

americans are fat

graveland is better than anything you listen to

this made me lol tho. my teeth are awful so maybe youre right about everything
 
I'm already amused at the notion of me posting in this thread.

Anyway, I think the problem with the SJW is the problem with a lot of social science really. It's not that it's one sided so much as that it's philosophically dry and one dimensional. I know enough of these people and have read enough of this shit to know that it's basically never ending. There is no end in sight of Whiteness studies, african american studies etc etc. The very same US model, courtesy of the 1950s/60s sociology gets exported everywhere, even random European countries that literally never had a colony and were even enslaved by none whites. Why do these white people need to be educated/ brainwashed in the same way?

I don't trust all of this social science shit because it's intellectually hollow, excessively repetitive and caters to the simpleminded. A lot of it completely ignores economics and massive parts of human history. I've read some essays that suggest that the actual direction that Western society takes is not important, it doesn't matter if people are well off or not, or anything like that, all that matters is that the cultural predominance of White people and White males in particular comes into decline. Personally, I associate that with what I call false ethnocentrism. False because it does nothing to further the real interests of the relevant ethnic group. It's a bit like ISIS. They wont create a lasting caliphate that helps all of the Muslims in the world, they'll just do things that lead to Muslims dying and having miserable lives.Well, where are all of the Black American doctors, lawyers, scientists, engineers, politicians etc, sending millions of money to Africa, pressuring the government to pump more aid into Africa? Black people make up about 10 times a greater percentage of the US population than the Jews, so why not?

Questions like, how should society be run, what is best in life (conan), which civilization ordered things best, any decent talking point like that is totally avoided with all of this shit left wing social science. It's all grievance, grievance, grievance and ego, ego, ego.

I remember when I was in Africa with some dumbass white middle class liberal people. Anyway, they were whining like hell about the local advertising campaigns featuring few or no white people. This was not South Africa. There were almost no white people, in terms of a percentage of the population, even the economic elite were mostly black. This is the thing, in the same way that people can do awful things in the name of supremacist white racism, people can do pretty bad things in response or reaction to it. Japanese war crimes come to mind, as do Zimbabwe's agricultural "reforms" and economic policies.

Ultimately, I think intelligent people who consider the concept of a future utopia will come across the fundamental problem. Perfection is relative. Value systems differ and many people in the world are probably the unfortunate consequence of a confusion of value systems. Most of the cultures that have existed in history have not produce widespread prosperity. In fact, the English model of organising society is one of the very few that have. Due to human nature, it seems incredibly likely to me that people will always look at prosperity in the West and associate it with historical grievances affecting their home countries, or look to social science to find evidence of the endless racism that gives them the psychological excuse to be non- productive in society.

Perfection is, by a true and honest definition, the perfection of a specific value system. When you factor in the aspect of human nature that makes identity unavoidable as a major element of people’s thinking and group behaviour, I think it is inevitable and ultimately good that societies seeking and working towards anything that might be called perfection would be particularist and exclusivist. I think this can be demonstrated with certain statistics. The period of time it is estimated to take for the human races to have thoroughly mixed is 6000 years. This is roughly equal to the period of time in which human civilization is known to have existed. In that time, how many people are going to minorities? How many people are going to live within value systems that differ from their own? Countless, thereby there is simply no end to the “progressive” social science movement. No end close enough in sight for it to be worth considering, unless it related to something like the destruction of the earth.

One of the points I am making here is that race has persistently meant more than economic or political ideology. It is a kind of lowest common denominator that is easily used to manipulate people and it easily carries value systems, more easily than nations or religions do, as far as I can tell. I think the narrative that the world was colour blind until some point in the late 1700s or early 1800s when the British invented racism is pretty inane really. It seems that it was more flexible whether the race or the religion was the most important matter before that time, but I suspect that will have been due to the tiny proportion of ethnic minorities living in most populations then. The ideas of people like Bertrand Russel, that a world state is an inevitable and positive thing may have merit in some ways, but the fact remains that we failed to create what may be termed a plain people, or a people without identity, in any number. This is despite various policies, in some countries including legally mandated miscegenation. Also, consider the present level of importance afforded to individual liberty and also levels of cultural relativism and group rights by the ideology of the most powerful nations and international institutions. It strikes me that this goes counter to the possibility of mankind slowly being socialized into a singular identity and value system.

I strongly believe that the present society we have in the United Kingdom is sick. It is broken. The same affliction affects many other countries throughout the West. This affliction is a man-made illness, it is the result of a long term poisoning of our value system. To speak in such generalities and with such colourful language may elicit disdain in many, but I do so with honesty and because I think it accurately describes the situation.

What is society? What is a country? What is the West? Too often, questions like this are left deliberately unanswered. The question itself is the answer; it is the vial of bad medicine from the witchdoctor. How could any value you might hold be correct, how can we make such an assumption, we must sustain an artificial sense of wonder that leaves us incapable of making judgements and then accept dire situations without rational responses, having had our honour broken by this false consciousness. I say that the fundamental particle of society is the value. To hold that it can be broken down further is flawed science. Why do these values exist? There is a direct and obvious answer to that question. We work in partnership, we work based on trust. When we go to the office and ask Bill to make the usual cup of tea, while opening up excel, there is no fear in our mind that that tea may be poisoned. If there were such a fear, our ability to operate efficiently would deteriorate massively. If we thought we might be held up and robbed at any moment we may eventually be less focused on the accumulation of wealth. We care more about the lives of our relatives than whether they dishonor us.
 
I'm already amused at the notion of me posting in this thread.

Anyway, I think the problem with the SJW is the problem with a lot of social science really. It's not that it's one sided so much as that it's philosophically dry and one dimensional. I know enough of these people and have read enough of this shit to know that it's basically never ending. There is no end in sight of Whiteness studies, african american studies etc etc. The very same US model, courtesy of the 1950s/60s sociology gets exported everywhere, even random European countries that literally never had a colony and were even enslaved by none whites. Why do these white people need to be educated/ brainwashed in the same way?

I don't trust all of this social science shit because it's intellectually hollow, excessively repetitive and caters to the simpleminded. A lot of it completely ignores economics and massive parts of human history. I've read some essays that suggest that the actual direction that Western society takes is not important, it doesn't matter if people are well off or not, or anything like that, all that matters is that the cultural predominance of White people and White males in particular comes into decline.

Personally, I associate that with what I call false ethnocentrism. False because it does nothing to further the real interests of the relevant ethnic group. It's a bit like ISIS. They wont create a lasting caliphate that helps all of the Muslims in the world, they'll just do things that lead to Muslims dying and having miserable lives.

Well, where are all of the Black American doctors, lawyers, scientists, engineers, politicians etc, sending millions of money to Africa, pressuring the government to pump more aid into Africa? Black people make up about 10 times a greater percentage of the US population than the Jews, so why not?

Questions like, how should society be run, what is best in life (conan), which civilization ordered things best, any decent talking point like that is totally avoided with all of this shit left wing social science. It's all grievance, grievance, grievance and ego, ego, ego.

I remember when I was in Africa with some dumbass white middle class liberal people. Anyway, they were whining like hell about the local advertising campaigns featuring few or no white people. This was not South Africa. There were almost no white people, in terms of a percentage of the population, even the economic elite were mostly black. This is the thing, in the same way that people can do awful things in the name of supremacist white racism, people can do pretty bad things in response or reaction to it. Japanese war crimes come to mind, as do Zimbabwe's agricultural "reforms" and economic policies.

Ultimately, I think intelligent people who consider the concept of a future utopia will come across the fundamental problem. Perfection is relative. Value systems differ and many people in the world are probably the unfortunate consequence of a confusion of value systems. Most of the cultures that have existed in history have not produce widespread prosperity. In fact, the English model of organising society is one of the very few that have. Due to human nature, it seems incredibly likely to me that people will always look at prosperity in the West and associate it with historical grievances affecting their home countries, or look to social science to find evidence of the endless racism that gives them the psychological excuse to be non- productive in society. Perfection is, by a true and honest definition, the perfection of a specific value system. When you factor in the aspect of human nature that makes identity unavoidable as a major element of people’s thinking and group behaviour, I think it is inevitable and ultimately good that societies seeking and working towards anything that might be called perfection would be particularist and exclusivist. I think this can be demonstrated with certain statistics. The period of time it is estimated to take for the human races to have thoroughly mixed is 6000 years. This is roughly equal to the period of time in which human civilization is known to have existed. In that time, how many people are going to minorities? How many people are going to live within value systems that differ from their own? Countless, thereby there is simply no end to the “progressive” social science movement. No end close enough in sight for it to be worth considering, unless it related to something like the destruction of the earth.

One of the points I am making here is that race has persistently meant more than economic or political ideology. It is a kind of lowest common denominator that is easily used to manipulate people and it easily carries value systems, more easily than nations or religions do, as far as I can tell. I think the narrative that the world was colour blind until some point in the late 1700s or early 1800s when the British invented racism is pretty inane really. It seems that it was more flexible whether the race or the religion was the most important matter before that time, but I suspect that will have been due to the tiny proportion of ethnic minorities living in most populations then. The ideas of people like Bertrand Russel, that a world state is an inevitable and positive thing may have merit in some ways, but the fact remains that we failed to create what may be termed a plain people, or a people without identity, in any number. This is despite various policies, in some countries including legally mandated miscegenation. Also, consider the present level of importance afforded to individual liberty and also levels of cultural relativism and group rights by the ideology of the most powerful nations and international institutions. It strikes me that this goes counter to the possibility of mankind slowly being socialized into a singular identity and value system.

I strongly believe that the present society we have in the United Kingdom is sick. It is broken. The same affliction affects many other countries throughout the West. This affliction is a man-made illness, it is the result of a long term poisoning of our value system. To speak in such generalities and with such colourful language may elicit disdain in many, but I do so with honesty and because I think it accurately describes the situation.

What is society? What is a country? What is the West? Too often, questions like this are left deliberately unanswered. The question itself is the answer; it is the vial of bad medicine from the witchdoctor. How could any value you might hold be correct, how can we make such an assumption, we must sustain an artificial sense of wonder that leaves us incapable of making judgements and then accept dire situations without rational responses, having had our honour broken by this false consciousness. I say that the fundamental particle of society is the value. To hold that it can be broken down further is flawed science. Why do these values exist? There is a direct and obvious answer to that question. We work in partnership, we work based on trust. When we go to the office and ask Bill to make the usual cup of tea, while opening up excel, there is no fear in our mind that that tea may be poisoned. If there were such a fear, our ability to operate efficiently would deteriorate massively. If we thought we might be held up and robbed at any moment we may eventually be less focused on the accumulation of wealth. We care more about the lives of our relatives than whether they dishonor us.

ok but is graveland racist or not
 
Also affirmative action overlooks the most qualified for a job in favor of making a particular race happy, and that's retarded. I encourage it in some applications but there's really no logical reason to sacrifice efficiency.
The theory behind it is that, all else being equal, you hire the minority. Not everything is equal in practice though.
 
from the perspective of the employer there's no logical reason, hence government intervention. mort's picture above was already a perfect counter-argument to this kind of thinking though. what's "retarded" is that the scales are already tipped so drastically that affirmative action is the only thing that can make our society vaguely fair. the reason the people most qualified for jobs are generally white males is because of their institutional advantages, there's no reason to think minorities don't have exactly the same talent for a role, but they don't get anything like the same support, opportunities etc because they're on a lower rung of the societal hierarchy.

ironically, white males who get rejected for a job position solely due to some kind of affirmative action quota are actually going through the exact same kind of shitty experience that minorities have suffered through for generations, and will continue to go through until something is done. it's worth thinking about that before getting up in arms about political correctness. to me, the overarching benefit of affirmative action is that it helps normalise the idea of poc/female presence across the spectrum of roles/industries in the collective consciousness, changing attitudes so that future generations hopefully won't have to face the same obstacles nor have any *need* for affirmative action. if you really want a society where employment is based on some kind of innate merit/qualification, then affirmative action seems like a necessary stepping stone toward making it that way.

The theory behind it is that, all else being equal, you hire the minority. Not everything is equal in practice though.


I guess it depends on where you live, but there's plenty of black business owners for instance around here and they tend to hire mainly black employees. I don't think racism is cool or anything, but I don't hold that shit against them, same as I wouldn't hold it against a white hiring manager for hiring a white dude out of two closely qualified candidates. Personality does make a difference in one's ability to fit in at a place of employment, and there's a definite correlation within the same race, usually due to where they grew up.

Of course, that's assuming they're closely qualified. If someone who isn't white got hired in somewhere when yellow haired Johnny Oxford had miles of better experience and education, I'd be pissed. Especially if its a doctor or something, I'll take the ignorant lacrosse playing douche over the pleasant Mexican guy who went to community college, thanks.
 
I guess it depends on where you live, but there's plenty of black business owners for instance around here and they tend to hire mainly black employees. I don't think racism is cool or anything, but I don't hold that shit against them, same as I wouldn't hold it against a white hiring manager for hiring a white dude out of two closely qualified candidates. Personality does make a difference in one's ability to fit in at a place of employment, and there's a definite correlation within the same race, usually due to where they grew up.

Of course, that's assuming they're closely qualified. If someone who isn't white got hired in somewhere when yellow haired Johnny Oxford had miles of better experience and education, I'd be pissed. Especially if its a doctor or something, I'll take the ignorant lacrosse playing douche over the pleasant Mexican guy who went to community college, thanks.

You got something against lacrosse players? For what it's worth, I played in high school.

My dad contends that he would've gotten into a better medical school had he been a minority back in the day given his grades. I don't know how true that would've been in the 70s.