Wow, I thought I posted in this thread yesterday...
I believe that if you come to this Country it should be mandantory for you to learn English. I think that pretty much sums up my beliefs. There should also be much stricter laws against illegal immigration to limit it. At the same time, I believe that if we were to get rid of illegal immigrants that it would cost a lot more money to get work done in jobs like construction & landscaping. Last I heard I think there were something like 16,000,000 illegal immigrants in this country & that is a lot of fucking epople. In Orlando there aren't many people in landscaping & construction that speak good English.
This thread isn't really about immigration though I mentioned it briefly... but:
1. Your beliefs do not matter, what does matter is right and wrong. It is wrong to force anyone to do anything that they do not want to. It is much like making it "mandatory" to be one religion over another, would you like to forced to be a Christian because this country is considered a Christian nation no matter if your not one?.
2. Stricter laws on immigration? Since 9/11 in 2001 the laws are quite adequate and do not need to be any more "stricter". If you pass laws like the ones in the past such as the Emergency Quota Act of 1921, Immigration Act of 1924,Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882 etc. then you are by and far being biased and discriminatory towards a minority group and i have no doubt that you or others would want "stricter Immigration laws" against people of hispanic (particularly Mexicans)and middle eastern descent. Bias towards these two immigrant groups are quite evident since 2001. Funny thing is most of you whose ancestors were italian/jewish/irish/eastern european etc. descent faced the same dilemma in the mid 1800's to early 20th century when people back then wanted "stricter Immigration laws" against these minority groups back then as with the laws I already mentioned. And let's not forget what was done to the German and Japanese immigrants during WW2 because of Pearl Harbor etc. (shades of what people want to do since 9/11). So no my friend, "Stricter immigration" laws are not needed because the current ones are already adequate. The current ones just need to be more enforced. Those who do not remember the past are doomed to repeat it.
3. Yes, if illegal labor was eradicated the cost of construction, food,services (such as landscaping) etc. would skyrocket. Most of you still live with Mom/Dad and have no inclination how much this would hit someone's wallet. It already is considering the economic situation and it's not because of immigration but due to Bush, the devalue of the Dollar and other factors. If your parents are paying $30 to have your lawn cut by a illegal immigrant that could skyrocket imo up to $100 if illegal labor did not exist. Running a landscaping business costs alot of $$ and to cover "legal" labor payroll they pass the cost to the consumer which is Mom/Dad and you in the future when you live on your own. This is the same in other industries such as farm labor, construction etc.
3. As for the population of illegal immigrants being 16,000,000 (it actually varies from 12 to 18 mil), well I found this to be interesting: "Immigration is now what keeps America growing. According to the UN the typical American woman today bears 1.93 children. That is below the 2.1 "replacement" rate required to keep a population stable over time, absent immigration. The Census Bureu estimatws the US population will grow from 281 million in 2000 to 397 mil in 2050 with expected immigration, but only to 328 mil with zero immigration. "If we have zero immigration with today's low birhrates the American population would eventually begin to shrink. "
4. As for Orlando and construction/landscaping, well I would say they are there to work and not converse. They use their hands and not their mouths to cut your lawn or hammer a nail.
True, but it's even more unfair to force a culture that is primarily based around a single language to learn the secondary languages of several different ethnic groups migrating into their country. Communication is the point here, and without communication a nation does not stand united. There are mental and psychological bonds in language that help to identify a nation. Allowing immigrants to speak their native tongues is fine, but they should be able to communicate easily with English speakers in America. Likewise, this should be enforced in other countries. It isn't because, of course, English is learned as a secondary language in several foreign countries already. Forcing immigrants to learn English makes sense because it improves the cohesion of the nation. It doesn't make sense to establish several different tongues in a single nation. That would take even more time and cost more money than teaching it to new immigrants. If people want to live here, they have to be able to communicate; not just for our sake, but for theirs.
Read my above post to Shredhead other then that:
1. We are probably one of the few nations in this world who doesn't speak multiple languages excluding immigrants who live here. Kind of sad don't you think? People around the world learn english out of necessity but in those same countries they also speak more then just english and their native tongues. Says something about our own education system imo or our arrogance. Anyways there is a joke about Americans and languages but it escapes my mind right now. Perhaps someone else knows it if not I'll look it up in my language book tomorrow and post it.
Also much like Chinese, Indian and English are the most spoken languages in this world imo because of population and necessity Spanish will be the next world language and imo Americans should learn it out of necessity since Hispanics will be and are becoming the next biggest population after Chinese and Indians worldwide :Smug:
Btw the actual National language of the United States is Money. Plain and simple. Money talks and Bullshit walks as they say.
