Kamelot/Halcyon Way/EbS Rollcall!
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Yes, actually, because my husband and I would have had a better shot at getting on the rail like we wanted. They moved everyone into Purgatory and the people in the back of the line outside didn't fit inside so they pretty much got in first. The whole point is that we arrived early and waited for hours to get a spot on the rail and the people who were at the back of the line ended up getting in first...needless to say we did not get our spots on the rail. Its not fair to those of us who waited and it was extremely poorly run line control.
I have to agree with all of the complaints posted above about the Masquerade. It was definitely the most poorly handled show I have ever been too. Apparently, no one cared for the fans or cared to help out these local bands. Unfortunately, we can't do much to show or disapproval.
lady_space
Porno kitty
The sound was pretty damned bad, and I thought Kamelot's set list pretty much sucked (not even Nights of Arabia or The Fourth Legacy? Nothing at ALL from before Karma that I recall...), but I had fun anyway. Y'all just have to learn to stick a gag in my mouth so that we're not the last folks getting shooed out 'cuz I can't quit talking. 
However, they did have the ceiling fans on--KimK and Urban staked out a spot by the sound board directly under one of them and it *was* noticably cooler there. Next time, I'm wearing shorts and a tank top even if it's February.
But I mean, it *is* the Masquerade... there was nothing particularly unusual for them. People should be somewhat used to them by now, I'd think.
A great turnout, though I hate that so many people probably saw EbS and HW for the first time under less than ideal circumstances.
Mr. sunshine is right, though--you guys did a good job despite all the issues, so kudos.
It was good seeing everyone though! And at least we didn't get frisked for our cell phones. Sounded like the Tabernacle really got anal. I'm really glad I didn't go to that show--sounds like I would've gone ballistic.
However, they did have the ceiling fans on--KimK and Urban staked out a spot by the sound board directly under one of them and it *was* noticably cooler there. Next time, I'm wearing shorts and a tank top even if it's February.
But I mean, it *is* the Masquerade... there was nothing particularly unusual for them. People should be somewhat used to them by now, I'd think. A great turnout, though I hate that so many people probably saw EbS and HW for the first time under less than ideal circumstances.
Mr. sunshine is right, though--you guys did a good job despite all the issues, so kudos.It was good seeing everyone though! And at least we didn't get frisked for our cell phones.
Sounded like the Tabernacle really got anal. I'm really glad I didn't go to that show--sounds like I would've gone ballistic.
lady_space
Porno kitty
Well, they sure screwed the pooch on that one... :b
Not every band treats their openers that way. Sure, it was a good opportunity for EbS and HW, but let's be real, it's Kamelot. It's not like they were given the chance to open for Metallica. Both Kamelot and the Masquerade could have been a wee bit more accommodating from everything I've heard.
Urban breed
Member
Are you saying that, in this world, everything's perfect the way it is and everyone should just shut up and be happy about it?
I believe you are.
I disagree, and will always do so.
Claus / Intromental
20 years of uniting the powers of metal
I thought your English was better than that ... but apparently you didn't understand what I meant ;-)
No, of course that's not what I am saying. What I am saying is that when you play support at a local show for an international touring headliner, you have to expect to meet problems like late (or no) soundcheck at all, lack of channels for miking up your stuff and so forth. If you don't pay for the extra service (which is what most supportbands on a tour does) then you can't really expect too much. You know that Urban, you've been on tours yourself.
The other solution is to hire your own soundguy, have (or the soundguy have) a digital live console, with IEMs, your own MICs, etc. Then you could have had everything going into a few channels on the main board that were allowed to be PA'd. Though, that's probably excessive for many bands because you'd almost never need this. However, it would allow you to have a fairly consistent setup no matter where you go, with your own quality amps, with your own digital mixing presets, etc.
And I'll say this, the sound was pretty f'ing good if the guitars were coming out of amps (though the bass was low in volume).
And I'll say this, the sound was pretty f'ing good if the guitars were coming out of amps (though the bass was low in volume).
First time I heard you guys aside from last progpower sampler. You guys have a lot of talent. Songs were original, you have your own style. Yet they are quite easy to absorb. Hard to find combination these days. Awesome (maybe minus costumes
).On the other hand , I hope the sound quality of the actual album does not sound like the track on progpower sampler. That would not do justice for that material.
crazycamera
I take pics....that ROCK!
It's to bad they spent hours on the sound check and getting the sound right! I thought the sound Kamelot had sucked through there whole set. I could hardly hear Khan at all from any position in the Masquarde! Even with my earplugs out, I had a hard time hearing him.
Also, I think the opening bands made it clear that they were happy to play in front of the Kamelot crowd, which was displayed on stage by what they said and how they played their asses off!
Further, there is no way in hell anyone should be treated like the way they were treated. Maybe Kamelot needed the extra time, but I think their crew should have voiced better what was going on.
PatrickHoyt
The Darkitecht
I think in the defense of the Masquerade itself as a venue, the good sound guy was on vacation and the sound guy they brought in hadn't touched the sound board in over a year from what he was telling us and apparently it was new or different or something.
Im sure if we had the right sound guy that is used to everything and knew what he was doing we could have avoided the lack of mics.
Even the Kamelot keyboardist before the show told us "Good Luck with getting a good sound, you're gonna need it, everyone is--they're running around like a bunch of amateurs. This has to be the worst out of any venue we've ever been to."
This was very true, that sound guy didn't know what the hell to say every time someone asked him a question.
Normally our experience at the Masquerade is awesome, but I blame the show being the way it was because of the people that were working at the venue that night.
When we opened for Dark Tranquillity, Divine Heresy, and Firewind--our sound guy was unplugging stuff and replugging stuff for us, just because Im sure he was professional enough to write everything down and remember what he needed to do rather than run around and just not know what to do and use every channel on the sound board so he wouldn't have to do any extra work.
Im not going to blame Kamelot--they have every right to want to sound awesome, even though I don't think the sound at the Masquerade rightly accommodated them as well as they should have been. Khan's vocals were hard to hear throughout the night and the drum mix wasn't that great either, but they had their own sound guy I thought; I'll assume he even had trouble working with what the Masquerade had or how it was set up by the Masquerade's fill-in sound guy.
So yeah, I honestly think it has everything to do with the sound guy that was brought in, cause he didn't know what the hell was going on the entire time. Everytime I looked at him it was the classic "deer in headlights" look.
That's my point of view. I think if you really sit down and think about it you'd feel the same way. Especially anyone involved with a band that has opened up a national touring show at the Masquerade. It's never like it was the other night. Ask yourself a couple questions and compare the other night to your previous experience(s). Then Im sure you'll come up with a better solution than blaming the headliner, or the entire venue itself.
It has everything to do with the people working at the time.
Im sure if we had the right sound guy that is used to everything and knew what he was doing we could have avoided the lack of mics.
Even the Kamelot keyboardist before the show told us "Good Luck with getting a good sound, you're gonna need it, everyone is--they're running around like a bunch of amateurs. This has to be the worst out of any venue we've ever been to."
This was very true, that sound guy didn't know what the hell to say every time someone asked him a question.
Normally our experience at the Masquerade is awesome, but I blame the show being the way it was because of the people that were working at the venue that night.
When we opened for Dark Tranquillity, Divine Heresy, and Firewind--our sound guy was unplugging stuff and replugging stuff for us, just because Im sure he was professional enough to write everything down and remember what he needed to do rather than run around and just not know what to do and use every channel on the sound board so he wouldn't have to do any extra work.
Im not going to blame Kamelot--they have every right to want to sound awesome, even though I don't think the sound at the Masquerade rightly accommodated them as well as they should have been. Khan's vocals were hard to hear throughout the night and the drum mix wasn't that great either, but they had their own sound guy I thought; I'll assume he even had trouble working with what the Masquerade had or how it was set up by the Masquerade's fill-in sound guy.
So yeah, I honestly think it has everything to do with the sound guy that was brought in, cause he didn't know what the hell was going on the entire time. Everytime I looked at him it was the classic "deer in headlights" look.
That's my point of view. I think if you really sit down and think about it you'd feel the same way. Especially anyone involved with a band that has opened up a national touring show at the Masquerade. It's never like it was the other night. Ask yourself a couple questions and compare the other night to your previous experience(s). Then Im sure you'll come up with a better solution than blaming the headliner, or the entire venue itself.
It has everything to do with the people working at the time.
Urban breed
Member
My english may be as poor as your regular polish truck driver's, but that's neither here nor there.
I believe I read your post, understood what you were trying to say, took aim at that one sentiment and purposefully took it to the extreme.
If there's one thing in this world that gets me upset it's the, "it's standard", "it's the norm" argument.
I know that.
Whoever sets up the show has the right to do it whichever way they please.
You take what's handed to you and make the best of it.
There's always the option (unless you are contractually obligated) to simply walk away.
In fact, I do believe I would've done just that had I been there to play that night. What's the point singing if you can't make yourself heard? (Which, incidentally, Roy should ask himself too.
)Quite frankly, I think the music índustry would be a lot healthier if a majority of musicians took that stance.
Also. if you are unhappy about the order of things, complain.
If you don't like it when people complain, tell them so.
When they complain about that, smile and say...polish truck drivers...
Urban breed
Member
Healthy attitude.
You can blame anyone you want and it's not going to change the fact that things were what they were.
You can and probably should expect to experience worse things than last night.
Normally any band I've played with so far has made sure beforehand that we have what we need to put on an acceptable show.
Sometimes reality does not quite match up and you end up chasing down gear in the last minute.
Not necessarily true. However, if you do have the right person at work and circumstances beyond his control are favorable, you will get all the service you need and more. So, if rephrased to something a little less encompassing, true, their impact is not negligible.
Patrick: I never saw the soundguy touch the board once during Halcyon Way's set. I was standing to the right of the soundboard.
PatrickHoyt
The Darkitecht
exactly, he sucked.
Thats basically what I said in my post.
the good sound guy was on vacation and the fill-in sound guy had no idea of what he was doing.
edit:
I say sound guy...it was actually two guys, one of which hadn't worked sound there in over a year, and he brought his friend to help him which probably had no idea of what he was doing either.
I was really curious to get on here and see what others thought of the sound. I agree that you could not hear Khan at all most of the time. On March of Mephisto I think they turned his mic completely off!
Sorry to hear about all the problems the opening bands had, but it seems as far as sound goes, everyone was screwed.
My question is, does it sound like that all of the time at the Masquerade? It's my first time there and that will factor into me going back anytime soon.
mtaffer
Sorry to hear about all the problems the opening bands had, but it seems as far as sound goes, everyone was screwed.
My question is, does it sound like that all of the time at the Masquerade? It's my first time there and that will factor into me going back anytime soon.
mtaffer
PatrickHoyt
The Darkitecht
Not at all, the sound is normally really good at the Masquerade (both on stage and house), but like I said in my long rant--the normal guy that runs sound and knows the board forwards, backwards, sideways, and upside down was on vacation leaving us with a guy that hadn't been there in over a year.
PatrickHoyt
The Darkitecht
Thanks for the answer, I thought you guys rocked btw.
mtaffer
You're welcome, and thank you very much. It means a lot to us on how well we were accepted by the crowd. It was a pleasant experience to see such a reaction out of a good 300-400 or more people that were in there when we played. I saw people filtering in as our set continued--so it made for a great night and a great turnout regardless of any technical issues.
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This thread has really taken on a life of it's own.
Bottom line....sound sucked. I didn't realize that the sound guy was a stand-in at the Masq, I thought that guy was the one on tour with Kamelot.
Sounds like we all got screwed, the depth and the amount of lube was what differed! =)
I'm still glad we did the show, and thankful that we were able to do it. So it's all good.
Bottom line....sound sucked. I didn't realize that the sound guy was a stand-in at the Masq, I thought that guy was the one on tour with Kamelot.
Sounds like we all got screwed, the depth and the amount of lube was what differed! =)
I'm still glad we did the show, and thankful that we were able to do it. So it's all good.
