Kevin Talley Mixing Contest - DEATH "Crystal Mountain" cover DIs
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Fugdup
Fus Ro Dah
nezvers
Beast
Holly crap!!! RaNk, thank you, thank you!!! Your bass just took a crap on original bass.
Did some stuff with bass and bit changed guitar EQ a bit.
My raw version
Did some stuff with bass and bit changed guitar EQ a bit.
My raw version
cool but :
-guitars sound a tad too loud and fizzy as well. By the way, are these reamped through the LeGion ampsim or something ?
-snare volume is acting weird sometimes, as if it was messing up with the master compression or something
How sure are you that it's Trilian ? Listening back to it, it sounds a bit too erratic to be programmed by MIDI (unless played by MIDI bass or guitar at first and then sent to Trilian), and i'm used to Trilian sounding awesome so...
By the way, it's weird how some parts are super noisy while some others are not. As if for some takes the earth lift was switched on by accident during tracking or something.
Your mix sounds awesome (those drums at least) except for the fact that we can't hardly hear any bass, or at least the bass subs/low-end, which is a shame since the bass track seems great !
By the way, i think your kick could use a tad more boom/low-end/sub.
EDIT : care to explain how you achieved those results for the drums ? Any samples used ?
nice overall but the bass attack is clashing with some other stuff at times
you guys make me feel i suck at mixing drums and make them sound all nice and processed (especially snare and toms)
RaNk
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You're welcome guys (about the basstracks), I hope you enjoy using it.
Fugdup, nice mix. I think making the guitars a little less cloudy, and putting them a bit softer in the mix might help to make it more clear sounding.
Nezvers, your drums sound cool. I like the guitars and the rest of the mix too. Good balance, clarity and nice warmth in the sound.
Djabthrash, sorry for my complete ignorance in judging the supplied basstrack. Listening quickly to the tone I thought it was a midi track. But I guess I'm totally wrong here. You're right, I heard alot of great tracks made with Trillian.
Thanks for the comments on the mix. As for the drums, I didn't use too much crazy things. I've been really mild with the compression settings and EQ. The drums sounded naturally nice on itsself I think. I haven't really phase aligned the tracks, but played some with flipping the phase. On the snare it made it sound fatter I think. The only sample I used was for the kick, one of Lasse's samples.
I agree about the rest you say, a little more low end on the kick and bass would have been better. I will keep this in mind. I'm still having trouble with the guitars, but that's usually the case, not only in the mix.
I wish I could listen to your tracks, but they still give a Dropbox error.
*edit*
Somehow I was nimble enough to upload the mix with the original bass hehe, I now repaced it with my own. Also tried to improve the lowend a bit. Still the same link in my previous post.
Fugdup, nice mix. I think making the guitars a little less cloudy, and putting them a bit softer in the mix might help to make it more clear sounding.
Nezvers, your drums sound cool. I like the guitars and the rest of the mix too. Good balance, clarity and nice warmth in the sound.
Djabthrash, sorry for my complete ignorance in judging the supplied basstrack. Listening quickly to the tone I thought it was a midi track. But I guess I'm totally wrong here. You're right, I heard alot of great tracks made with Trillian.
Thanks for the comments on the mix. As for the drums, I didn't use too much crazy things. I've been really mild with the compression settings and EQ. The drums sounded naturally nice on itsself I think. I haven't really phase aligned the tracks, but played some with flipping the phase. On the snare it made it sound fatter I think. The only sample I used was for the kick, one of Lasse's samples.
I agree about the rest you say, a little more low end on the kick and bass would have been better. I will keep this in mind. I'm still having trouble with the guitars, but that's usually the case, not only in the mix.
I wish I could listen to your tracks, but they still give a Dropbox error.
*edit*
Somehow I was nimble enough to upload the mix with the original bass hehe, I now repaced it with my own. Also tried to improve the lowend a bit. Still the same link in my previous post.
You're welcome guys (about the basstracks), I hope you enjoy using it.
Fugdup, nice mix. I think making the guitars a little less cloudy, and putting them a bit softer in the mix might help to make it more clear sounding.
Nezvers, your drums sound cool. I like the guitars and the rest of the mix too. Good balance, clarity and nice warmth in the sound.
Djabthrash, sorry for my complete ignorance in judging the supplied basstrack. Listening quickly to the tone I thought it was a midi track. But I guess I'm totally wrong here. You're right, I heard alot of great tracks made with Trillian.
Thanks for the comments on the mix. As for the drums, I didn't use too much crazy things. I've been really mild with the compression settings and EQ. The drums sounded naturally nice on itsself I think. I haven't really phase aligned the tracks, but played some with flipping the phase. On the snare it made it sound fatter I think. The only sample I used was for the kick, one of Lasse's samples.
I agree about the rest you say, a little more low end on the kick and bass would have been better. I will keep this in mind. I'm still having trouble with the guitars, but that's usually the case, not only in the mix.
I wish I could listen to your tracks, but they still give a Dropbox error.
*edit*
Somehow I was nimble enough to upload the mix with the original bass hehe, I now repaced it with my own. Also tried to improve the lowend a bit. Still the same link in my previous post.
haha i almost said it sounded like you uploaded a mix with the original bass but i wasn't sure
Thanks for all the feedback and info !
I'm gonna give the phase flip trick a go on the snare.
Here's my latest mix so far (posted above), gonna refine it some more (it needs to) :
http://tonefinder.com/index.php?section=id&value=13535
nezvers
Beast
Hmm.. first time someone say something good about my mix Will look more into that bass attack and I haven't tried snare phase flipping (maybe that will help a bit).
I haven't done real drum mixing much - this is 2nd or 3rd time.
For that warmth RaNk mentioned - I suggest to try Variety Of Sounds - Ferric (tape compressor) i put that on almost everything and it's saturation can work miracles.
Djabthrash - I don't know what you did on drums but for me sound like there are too much drum room. And maybe try better impulse, because guitars sound roomy too.
Will look more into that bass attack and I haven't tried snare phase flipping (maybe that will help a bit).I haven't done real drum mixing much - this is 2nd or 3rd time.
For that warmth RaNk mentioned - I suggest to try Variety Of Sounds - Ferric (tape compressor) i put that on almost everything and it's saturation can work miracles.
Djabthrash - I don't know what you did on drums but for me sound like there are too much drum room. And maybe try better impulse, because guitars sound roomy too.
Fugdup
Fus Ro Dah
Thanks for the feedback, Djab and RaNk.
Does this sound better?
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/25538565/Death - Crystal Mountain - Metal Mixing Contest v5.mp3
Does this sound better?
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/25538565/Death - Crystal Mountain - Metal Mixing Contest v5.mp3
RaNk
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You're welcome, I hope you like using it, at least it's got less noise. I'll take a listen and comment when your mix is done too.
Djabthrash, it's ok if you said I wasn't using the alternative bass even if you were wrong, it'd be far less ignorant than my Trillian comment hehe!
It still makes me feel a bit silly because I didn't mean to insult the guy that made the original track, he's obviously a good player but it was the noise that made me decide to have a go at it myself. Your mix sounds cool, and honestly I heard that one before on your other thread but I prefer the Mp3 because this Tonefinder site seems to be quite low quality in sound. The balance is good though, I think it helps when the snare is more in phase, because it's clearly a phase effect that's audible now.Nezvers, well it's a nice mix isn't it? I even enjoy it more than the usual over the top limited tracks that are posted alot of times. About the Ferric plugin, I know it's awesome. I used it alot on vocals too, but am very carefull when using stuff like that on guitars.
Fugdup, yes this mix sounds better balanced and better to me. Maybe if some way you can give the guitars a little more punch that it sounds nicer. I think there's quite alot of gain on them, and on quadtracked guitars I find that it usually sounds better with a little less than normally used.
I'm still fighting a bit with the guitars myself, don't know how to improve it much anymore. Any ideas what's nice/not nice about them?
Fugdup
Fus Ro Dah
You're welcome, I hope you like using it, at least it's got less noise. I'll take a listen and comment when your mix is done too.
Djabthrash, it's ok if you said I wasn't using the alternative bass even if you were wrong, it'd be far less ignorant than my Trillian comment hehe!
Nezvers, well it's a nice mix isn't it? I even enjoy it more than the usual over the top limited tracks that are posted alot of times. About the Ferric plugin, I know it's awesome. I used it alot on vocals too, but am very carefull when using stuff like that on guitars.
Fugdup, yes this mix sounds better balanced and better to me. Maybe if some way you can give the guitars a little more punch that it sounds nicer. I think there's quite alot of gain on them, and on quadtracked guitars I find that it usually sounds better with a little less than normally used.
I'm still fighting a bit with the guitars myself, don't know how to improve it much anymore. Any ideas what's nice/not nice about them?
Cheers.
I'll see what i can do with the guitars.
Btw, are you guys using the Rhythm DI's or the real deal?
Guess i'll play around with it and see how they sound together.
nezvers
Beast
RaNk no offence was meant by the way, just suggesting.
What about mix it self you got instruments separated very good.
In Ermz systematic mixing guide I learned that saturating guitars have good impact. I saturate guitars slightly with Ferric, it help separating guitars from other instruments.
What about mix it self you got instruments separated very good.
In Ermz systematic mixing guide I learned that saturating guitars have good impact. I saturate guitars slightly with Ferric, it help separating guitars from other instruments.
RaNk
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Fugdup, I only want to use the clean DIs, because then I can practise on getting a good tone myself. I like to listen and compare already reamped tracks though, it's good to learn from how they sound.
Nezvers, no offence taken man, thanks for any tips. I'm here for practise too (and having fun doing so), so I can use any tips. As you can hear e.g. my guitars aren't exactly perfect themselves. I have the mixing guide too, but so far didn't have great succes with saturation plugins on guitar. Maybe I should try again, I read about it and it seems to work for others too. As for my mix, I don't use extreme equalizing in this mix, but in the low mids a bit more. It helps to shape the bass well there, but that goes for all instruments in the 200-400 Khz-ish range. And I'm less afraid now to take quite some lowmids out of the guitar. But not too much because it really can kill the tone. But it's still my biggest struggle, low mids on the guitar. On other instruments it feels more "safe". Also the use of Hi and Lo passes on most instruments helps alot, it's usually what I start with.
*edit*
Oh and btw, I thought the seperation on your mix is nice too, one of the reasons why I liked the mix.
Nezvers, no offence taken man, thanks for any tips. I'm here for practise too (and having fun doing so), so I can use any tips. As you can hear e.g. my guitars aren't exactly perfect themselves. I have the mixing guide too, but so far didn't have great succes with saturation plugins on guitar. Maybe I should try again, I read about it and it seems to work for others too. As for my mix, I don't use extreme equalizing in this mix, but in the low mids a bit more. It helps to shape the bass well there, but that goes for all instruments in the 200-400 Khz-ish range. And I'm less afraid now to take quite some lowmids out of the guitar. But not too much because it really can kill the tone. But it's still my biggest struggle, low mids on the guitar. On other instruments it feels more "safe". Also the use of Hi and Lo passes on most instruments helps alot, it's usually what I start with.
*edit*
Oh and btw, I thought the seperation on your mix is nice too, one of the reasons why I liked the mix.
lanky noob
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https://dl.dropbox.com/u/71178437/Death mix practice.mp3
my quick attempt criticism appreciated! ps the random bursts of white noise are from the aptrigga demo
my quick attempt
criticism appreciated! ps the random bursts of white noise are from the aptrigga demo
nezvers
Beast
Fugdub, sound like you have too much low end for guitars. Drums sound bit too much roomy FOR MY TASTE, but that don't mean they are bad.
lanky noob, are there reverb on rhythm guitar (or my ears are tired and hear too much room everywhere)? What you done to bass guitar - it have something special on low end, almost powerful as sine wave on subs, but that asks for kick rise volume 1 - 2 db.
Djabthrash, too much room for me, but guitar tone is really good and separation nice.
I wanted to go more further this time re-amped with my tubescreamer copy cat - GFS Classic Greenie (when saw comparison with real TS and prize bought not thinking much) and love it much. And went more perv on reamping - each DI into Podfarm Cali Diamond (metal shop) / LePou Lextac -> 2 cab impulses + ourcabinetsimulator (thats actually 2 more impulses - alu - framus + alu - mesa 1)
Added flanger to solo guitar like in original song.
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/12761142/NeZvers_studio/NeZvers - Crystal mountain - RAW.mp3
I'll try to work with drum room again to improve drum overall vibe, but that tomorrow.
EDIT: BTW if someone of us win and using RaNk's bass should mention that he played bass, so he got some spotlight for his generosity to re-track bass!
lanky noob, are there reverb on rhythm guitar (or my ears are tired and hear too much room everywhere)? What you done to bass guitar - it have something special on low end, almost powerful as sine wave on subs, but that asks for kick rise volume 1 - 2 db.
Djabthrash, too much room for me
, but guitar tone is really good and separation nice.I wanted to go more further this time re-amped with my tubescreamer copy cat - GFS Classic Greenie (when saw comparison with real TS and prize bought not thinking much) and love it much. And went more perv on reamping - each DI into Podfarm Cali Diamond (metal shop) / LePou Lextac -> 2 cab impulses + ourcabinetsimulator (thats actually 2 more impulses - alu - framus + alu - mesa 1)
Added flanger to solo guitar like in original song.
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/12761142/NeZvers_studio/NeZvers - Crystal mountain - RAW.mp3
I'll try to work with drum room again to improve drum overall vibe, but that tomorrow.
EDIT: BTW if someone of us win and using RaNk's bass should mention that he played bass, so he got some spotlight for his generosity to re-track bass!
lanky noob
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no reverb on rhythm guitars, but there is a bit of delay on the leads
done nothing special to the bass, just some distortion on a doubled track like your average metal bass, and everything on the bass bus is rolled off under 60hz, so that might explain what you're hearing, or it's the compressor
cheers for the feedback though!
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