Krank VS Mesa

[Hotstuff]

Hi,
Recording a band and today tried out a Krank Rev1 with a Mesa Cab, great sound, for live use excellent, the sweep knob is a great feature but could not get the amp to sound right for recording.

Just too much juice, its wicked and bites at you.

Gave up and got out a 5150 and wham, great sound and tone just right for the track, well all the tracks, great amp! cant find one? get a 6505.

Also use a Mesa dual rectifier solo head and ENGL Fireball, great amps.

Mesa= gnarl
Engl=Bite
Peavey 5150= Perfect!

I´m a drummer by the way, just have access to great amps for recording.

Carlos

 

[RockGuitarX]

This does not even justify a response.

+1 to that.

Here's a video of the krankenstein+ with a maxon od808 in front.

Nice..!!!! Very tight, good mids and full of gain!!! Wow...

yeah i have days on end just slightly moving the sweep knob on my rev jr and messing with everything else, ive got a pretty nice tone going on at the mo, but im never satisfied.

as far as the thread title, ive played on dual recs, kranks and peaveys, out of them all its a toss up between the krank and peavey, the mesa really doesnt do it for my playing, i struggled to dial in a tone to my taste :-/

What's your style/taste?

Hi,
Recording a band and today tried out a Krank Rev1 with a Mesa Cab, great sound, for live use excellent, the sweep knob is a great feature but could not get the amp to sound right for recording.

Just too much juice, its wicked and bites at you.

Gave up and got out a 5150 and wham, great sound and tone just right for the track, well all the tracks, great amp! cant find one? get a 6505.

Also use a Mesa dual rectifier solo head and ENGL Fireball, great amps.

Mesa= gnarl
Engl=Bite
Peavey 5150= Perfect!

I´m a drummer by the way, just have access to great amps for recording.

Carlos

Yeah... not to be a dick but it does help to read the first post

 

[Shredfiend]

This does not even justify a response.

Anyone dissing on VHT's and Diezels and talking up Dual rectumfires needs to put there mouse down and get out and play some more amps.

I do like 5150's though....imho the best high gain amp for the money in existance.

I've owned almost every amp in this thread btw.

 

[lost_within]

Anyone dissing on VHT's and Diezels and talking up Dual rectumfires needs to put there mouse down and get out and play some more amps.

I do like 5150's though....imho the best high gain amp for the money in existance.

I've owned almost every amp in this thread btw.

No one was dissing those amps. What's your favourite amp then, after owning the lot?

 

[Shredfiend]

I play a UL.

 

[Machinated]

Anyone dissing on VHT's and Diezels and talking up Dual rectumfires needs to put there mouse down and get out and play some more amps.

I do like 5150's though....imho the best high gain amp for the money in existance.

I've owned almost every amp in this thread btw.

No one has put them down - all I'm saying is I can think of a hell of a lot more albums with Rectifiers on them than I can VHT/Diezel/Bogner. Thats not saying anything bad about those amps, its just saying that the rectifiers are capable of some awesome tone and without spending a load more money.

and seriously, slagging of "rectumfryers" is very much a HCAF-kind of thing, the fact of the matter is they are awesome amps and have appeared on countless great sounding albums. Also I have played a ton of amps in my time and know what I am looking for in a good tone.

As I said - Those high end amps will only sound different to your Mesa's, Peavey's etc The rest of the story is subjective.

 

[Metaltastic]

No one has put them down - all I'm saying is I can think of a hell of a lot more albums with Rectifiers on them than I can VHT/Diezel/Bogner. Thats not saying anything bad about those amps, its just saying that the rectifiers are capable of some awesome tone and without spending a load more money.

and seriously, slagging of "rectumfryers" is very much a HCAF-kind of thing, the fact of the matter is they are awesome amps and have appeared on countless great sounding albums. Also I have played a ton of amps in my time and know what I am looking for in a good tone.

As I said - Those high end amps will only sound different to your Mesa's, Peavey's etc The rest of the story is subjective.

Quoted for truth, especially the HCAF bit :Smug:

 

[aramism]

Not according to Jens Bogren

do tell...


i'm interested actually. always thought it sounded more rectosih. like vintage mode or something. or perhaps modern with el34 and tube recto.

but on the opeth site MA said that it was a blend and many many layers but i'm open for new info.

 

[Metaltastic]

From my Jens Bogren appreciation thread (if you missed it, shame on you - it was possibly the most informative thread I've ever read ):

On Ghost Reveries i used the MF400 [cab] for the main rythms. To be honest i can't remember what amps we used, i know it was one Mesa double Rectifier, but i must get back and... Oh no!!! Never ment to give this away, but the secondary pair was actually a POD XT with the (at the time new) Metal Pack! I see a shit storm coming this way. I remember now that i did regret it in the mix, and it's mostly the Mesa you will hear. I can see that some people are not impressed by the drum sound on that album, and to be honest i don't like it either. It was a compromise (my will against what the band thought they wanted), and on top of that pretty poor mastering.

Suck on that Shredfiend. If I were to hazard a guess, I'd say you have little to no recording experience, and rather are one of those people who just plays amps in a room/live and therefore can't truly guage their sounds and potential (I've learned to NEVER trust any guitarist's opinion of tone if he doesn't have experience with recording). Just cuz you couldn't get a Rectifier to sound good doesn't mean it can't.

 

[Metaltastic]

Oh, and also, this cracked me up Aramism - despite what the Opeth website says...

The guitar tone on Watershed is beautiful. How much of that is Laney and how much of that is Recto/Marshal?l

Laney would never come close to one of my sessions, at least not for guitars.

Hehehehehehehehhehe

 

[Shredfiend]

LOL!

right, right....
I'd wager to guess I've been gigging and recording since you were still shitting your diapers....but anyway.

I bought my first DR in 94' I believe. I can just think of many, many better sounding amps out there for high gain. Better tone, better designs, better componets and craftsmanship.

There's a lot of Fords out their on the US highways, but that doesn't mean most of them aren't crap or that they could compare to a corvette, porshe, bmw, ect.

That doesn't mean I think only expensive gear is good.....in fact just the opposite. Like I said, I think 5150's are awesome sounding amps and are very affodable.

From my Jens Bogren appreciation thread (if you missed it, shame on you - it was possibly the most informative thread I've ever read ):



Suck on that Shredfiend. If I were to hazard a guess, I'd say you have little to no recording experience, and rather are one of those people who just plays amps in a room/live and therefore can't truly guage their sounds and potential (I've learned to NEVER trust any guitarist's opinion of tone if he doesn't have experience with recording). Just cuz you couldn't get a Rectifier to sound good doesn't mean it can't.

 

[MetalJonesy]

What's your style/taste?

im wanitng to nail that as i lay dying tone on shadows are security, for me it has everything, the warmth, power and grit, and i know it was reamped with rev1s. its really easy to get classic metal tones out of it though, but i dont really class AILD classic metal.

 

[Machinated]

I bought my first DR in 94' I believe. I can just think of many, many better sounding amps out there for high gain. Better tone, better designs, better componets and craftsmanship.

There's a lot of Fords out their on the US highways, but that doesn't mean most of them aren't crap or that they could compare to a corvette, porshe, bmw, ect.

That doesn't mean I think only expensive gear is good.....in fact just the opposite. Like I said, I think 5150's are awesome sounding amps and are very affodable.

OK, you still seem to be missing the point.

Saying this amp has better tone than this one is incredibly unhelpful as ones perception of a good tone is highly subjective. Its far more constructive to describe the kind of tones YOU got from the amp, to see whether or not your tastes in tone will agree. To just post around slating the Dual Rec is incredibly ignorant of all the great recordings and satisfied people there are who own them. Who's to say that they have bad tone? Maybe they think your tone sucks? See, its all subjective.

Also saying that the Mesa shouldn't be bought because of its design and components......explain further please?

I think the Mesa is a great design if you are looking for a versatile amp with a ton of switching options. Also, I have never experienced any reliability problems with Mesa stuff, its always seemed rock solid. Also, AFAIK Mesa uses good quality components in their stuff.

Saying Dual Rectifiers have bad tone is just plain incorrect. Saying the tone that YOU achieved from a Dual Rec wasn't for you because _________ is correct.

Bang.

 

[RockGuitarX]

Call me crazy but I've never heard "Ghost Reveries" or much Opeth... Just out of curiosity any tips for buying off ebay. I sell stuff all the time and buy on ebay but for a new head that's going to cost me a shiny penny, I don't want to get screwed or ripped! It'd definitely be the most money I've ever spend on there. Buy used or new? ... hmmm

BTW If any of you are interested in a Peavey 450 Bass Tour Head, here ya go:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=250335058637&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT&ih=015

 

[lost_within]

From my Jens Bogren appreciation thread (if you missed it, shame on you - it was possibly the most informative thread I've ever read ):

I missed that thread too, very very interesting.. thanks mate!

 

[Metaltastic]

OK, you still seem to be missing the point.

Saying this amp has better tone than this one is incredibly unhelpful as ones perception of a good tone is highly subjective. Its far more constructive to describe the kind of tones YOU got from the amp, to see whether or not your tastes in tone will agree. To just post around slating the Dual Rec is incredibly ignorant of all the great recordings and satisfied people there are who own them. Who's to say that they have bad tone? Maybe they think your tone sucks? See, its all subjective.

Also saying that the Mesa shouldn't be bought because of its design and components......explain further please?

I think the Mesa is a great design if you are looking for a versatile amp with a ton of switching options. Also, I have never experienced any reliability problems with Mesa stuff, its always seemed rock solid. Also, AFAIK Mesa uses good quality components in their stuff.

Saying Dual Rectifiers have bad tone is just plain incorrect. Saying the tone that YOU achieved from a Dual Rec wasn't for you because _________ is correct.

Bang.

Beautifully said, Ed (Bang indeed ) - here's a couple more gems from the Jens Bogren thread:

Rectifiers are funny: When you solo listen them they sound pretty week, strange, not metal at all. But they just have this random harmonic structure that make them glue in to any mix. That's what's so dangerous with a Pod: you can make them sound pretty impressive on it's own, but together with the rest in a mix it will never work that well. Sometimes i kick the signal with a tube screamer (the maxon OD808, i think i'm sort of endorsed), but more for lead guitars. A fresh set of tubes is really important, and the right cab. The Road King is pretty impressive where you can change tubes and try different combos on the fly. The really old Dual Rectifier sounds probably better most of the times though.

Someone asked if i use 5150. The first version is pretty descent, but i haven't used them much. There's something in there i don't like.

A good "replacement" for Mesa would be Krank, it's pretty unpolished and random, but tighter than Mesa. For tight sounds and complex riffing i usually go with Engl.

I couldnt agree more! Rectifiers especially can really steer the direction of a mix. And yes i've also heard some rev1's that sound very similar to the older rectifiers.

Also, Devin Townsend swears by his Rectifiers, and there are countless more producers out there (like Andy, though not as exclusively) who do as well - sooooo, I'm gonna trust them over you, Shredfiend, to say nothing of my own positive personal experiences with Rectos

Call me crazy but I've never heard "Ghost Reveries" or much Opeth... Just out of curiosity any tips for buying off ebay. I sell stuff all the time and buy on ebay but for a new head that's going to cost me a shiny penny, I don't want to get screwed or ripped! It'd definitely be the most money I've ever spend on there. Buy used or new? ... hmmm

SHAME ON YOU!!! Get you some Ghost Reveries post haste dude, it's one of my top 10 favorite albums of all time, and also one of my top 3 guitar tones of all time.

 

[Shredfiend]

LOL.

 

[lost_within]

I went Jens to answer that question about what channel, settings who likes to use.. I've started using the orange channel on modern, sounds better than the red modern.
Would never have thought that Katatonia's TGCD was a rec, love that album, amazing guitar sound throughout!

 

[Machinated]

I prefer Orange channel too for rhythms

 

[Metaltastic]

Yeah, apparently the Orange on the 3 channels is pretty much the red on the 2-channels (and also, according to the manual the ONLY difference between the orange and red channels is presence pot, interestingly enough, and they say you can order the pot from one to replace the other with to make the channels identical)