Legalize All Drugs? Would It Work?

[Serjeant Grumbles]

Drink your school, stay in drugs, and don't do milk.

 

[RedStorm]

Baroque laid it all out well

 

[Master_Yoda77]

 

[arg]

that's why you let people do drugs all they want, and just fucking let them die when they OD, simple as that

 

[The Butt]

or they can give them medical care and make them pay out of pocket.

Exactly.

Ok suppose the government has no right to tell you what you can put in your body. But then you say they do have a right to tell you what you can and can't do while inebriated. But being inebriated you have less control over what you do. Then you're still letting them have control over you. Why not just let them tell you not to put that in your body in the first place.

Because it's not their right? It's my body, not theirs.

Ok so the government is supposed to pay for your rehab. And counseling for you and all the family members you hurt. The government is supposed to pay for drug education programs to tell people drugs are bad, meanwhile saying that it's ok to take drugs legally. Why not just save money and say you can't do drugs in the first place? That's a clear message drugs are bad without being hypocritical.

Again, no. Make them pay out of pocket. If someone is doing drugs the responsibility is on them if they hurt someone. But it is their body and if they are capable of doing drugs without hurting anyone or being unable to function in society they should be allowed to.

Not going to quote the rest because you can only rebut dumb points with the same counterpoint so many times.

 

[Serjeant Grumbles]

While I fundamentally believe the government should have no right to regulate what we grow in our gardens or cook in our kitchens, the above statement is ridiculously socially irresponsible. What if the person "killing themselves with fun" is a mother or father? Obviously anyone "killing themselves with fun" is someone's son or daughter. Even if that means nothing to you it is a Massive waste of resources to support someone for 18 years and educate them etc, just so they can be like "lols heroine is fun" and die. That should never be ok, or some kind of right. We have a duty to our families who raised us and yes even our government as citizens to not waste our lives like that. Among countless other reasons.

Such a line of argument could also be used to argue that we don't have a right to suicide. I wouldn't want to go down that path.

 

[Baroque]

Because it's not their right? It's my body, not theirs.

You completely missed the point. My point was by allowing them to regulate what you do while inebriated you're still letting them control what you do with your body.

Again, no. Make them pay out of pocket.

So a druggie who spent all of their money and stole other people's shit to pay for their heroin addiction is supposed to pay for their own treatment out of pocket? Never ever going to happen. Either taxpayers or the families will end up paying for it, the people that they already hurt are now hurt again.

Drug addicts are a massive burden on society and their families. I feel like people for legalization of all drugs have either

1) Never had a family member who was a drug addict and seen what that does to a family/everyone around them. Or

2) Just want this passed for selfish reasons so you have easier access to drugs for yourself without thinking about the societal repercussions.

Also, in response to people saying just let them die:

1) That will never happen, it's not how our society works. Hospitals have to give them care. Laws will be passed to get them help.

2) That is a massive waste of resources. Here's a person we spent around 12 years or more educating and now all of that has gone to waste. Maybe if they were rehabilitated they could become functional or productive members of society again. It can happen, it does happen. It shouldn't need to happen more often though.

 

[tagradh]

Ok so the government is supposed to pay for your rehab. And counseling for you and all the family members you hurt. The government is supposed to pay for drug education programs to tell people drugs are bad, meanwhile saying that it's ok to take drugs legally. Why not just save money and say you can't do drugs in the first place? That's a clear message drugs are bad without being hypocritical.

Who is going to pay for the rehab of this new crop of irresponsible druggies? The responsible taxpayers who knew that drugs are bad in the first place and chose not to do them. How is that fair?

It's not fair to the taxpayers, the families of the users with addiction problems, society for having to deal with more addicted users....

Not fair on the tax payers?



Decriminalization and legalization haven't been shown to lead to increased use (which makes sense, because people will take drugs whatever their legality).

The costs of fighting a 'war on drugs' outweigh the costs of not fighting it.

Not treating people with addictions ends up costing more than treating them.

Not taxing the legal sale of drugs 'costs' more than taxing the legal sale of drugs.

Incarcerating people for the possession of drugs, which in many cases (weed, lsd, mushrooms, etc) are not going to cause harm to others, costs more than not incarcerating them.

Letting the profits of drugs sales, which you'll never be able to stop, go to criminals, means more powerful criminal gangs, which cost money to deal with.

The costs of educating people, which should be happening regardless of the legality of drugs, are massively outweighed by the costs of not educating people.



The arguments about the 'costs' of legalization and decriminalization are so fucking stupid. The 'I DON'T LIKE DRUGS SO NO ONE SHOULD DO DRUGS' brigade are far more tolerable than those that spout this bullshit.

Drug addicts are a massive burden on society and their families. I feel like people for legalization of all drugs have either

1) Never had a family member who was a drug addict and seen what that does to a family/everyone around them. Or

2) Just want this passed for selfish reasons so you have easier access to drugs for yourself without thinking about the societal repercussions.

1) Bullshit. There are plenty of people that have, or have lost, addict friends and family members that campaign for more sensible drug laws.

2) The societal repercussions, which are actually lessened by decriminalization/legalization?


Just look at the fucking facts. Jeez.

 

[arg]

if they can't afford to pay out of pocket, leave them to die, jesus how many times must we tell you


edit: well if the hospital "has" to treat them, don't spend too much on it, toss them in a cheapass bed, give them an advil and call it a day

if the cause of death is an overdose of a dangerous drug willingly taken, the hospital should not be liable for not treating the druggie if he/she couldn't pay. im not saying that's how it is or will be in america anytime soon but that's how it should be

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

Only a few posts here that aren't facepalm worthy. Baroque's being one of them. It pains me to see just how clueless and disconnected from reality some you guys are.

 

[Einherjar86]

It pains me to see how connected to reality you think you are.

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

 

[Einherjar86]

Yes, I know how little you care. It's why you post about how little you care over and over again.

Enjoy reality.

 

[Baroque]

There's just no way you can convince someone like me that legalization of all drugs will make things better. I've lost 2 family members to drugs and very nearly a 3rd. That 3rd was a heroin addict and had to do rehab twice plus interventions to get out of it. This person still talks about cravings very often. You make heroin legal, and put it up for sale in a liquor store, this person IS going to relapse. Making it easier for addicts to get their fix means they need to have even stronger willpower. That willpower is extremely hard to come by when your own body and mind is fighting you every step of the way due to addiction.

You guys want to release all of the drug dealers back into the cities, and sell drugs everywhere and somehow that's going to make society better. There's simply no way. Not in the American entitled, blame everyone else but me society we live in right now. "I can do whatever the fuck I want, let 'the man' pay for it" sounds so fucking immature.

 

[Manic Ferocity]

So you've lost family members to drugs that are still illegal. Somehow I don't see how its illegality is improving the lives of junkies.


I think you have it backwards when it comes to drug dealers. Legalizing drugs would put drug cartels and their dealing subsidiaries out of business. Legitimate businesses would take over and use heavy regulations to administer drugs to people who need them for particular purposes, and without the use of violence.

Anyways, I hate this argument. It has nothing to do with whether or not drugs are good or bad for people. It's a matter of legality vs. illegality. Seems to be some heavy confusion there.

 

[Baroque]

So you've lost family members to drugs that are still illegal. Somehow I don't see how its illegality is improving the lives of junkies.

Legality is definitely not going to improve the lives of junkies. You'd make it even easier for them to get their fix. And now the government says it's ok! There's no shame in them doing the drugs they crave. The drugs that are destroying them. Now they don't have to hit rock bottom because there's all these support systems in place. They can just go on fucking up indefinitely.

I think you have it backwards when it comes to drug dealers. Legalizing drugs would put drug cartels and their dealing subsidiaries out of business. Legitimate businesses would take over and use heavy regulations to administer drugs to people who need them for particular purposes, and without the use of violence.

So you release all the drug dealers, AND take away their livelihood. They had no problem turning to criminal activity before and they just got a get out of jail free card. Now you think they're going to turn to legitimate business?

Anyways, I hate this argument. It has nothing to do with whether or not drugs are good or bad for people. It's a matter of legality vs. illegality. Seems to be some heavy confusion there.

Hard drugs are clearly bad for people. Making them easier to access means more people will be exposed to that bad. And Those that are already infected with it will be exposed to it even more easily and often.

 

[Manic Ferocity]

Legality is definitely not going to improve the lives of junkies. You'd make it even easier for them to get their fix. And now the government says it's ok! There's no shame in them doing the drugs they crave. The drugs that are destroying them. Now they don't have to hit rock bottom because there's all these support systems in place. They can just go on fucking up indefinitely.

How exactly are regulations going to make it easier for them? There are no regulations for street dealers.

So you release all the drug dealers, AND take away their livelihood. They had no problem turning to criminal activity before and they just got a get out of jail free card. Now you think they're going to turn to legitimate business?

When did I say anything about street dealers turning to legitimate business? Creation and distribution of street drugs did not start with "legitimate business". Why would that continue upon their legality?

Hard drugs are clearly bad for people. Making them easier to access means more people will be exposed to that bad. And Those that are already infected with it will be exposed to it even more easily and often.

Again, I don't see how they're easier to access when businesses use heavy regulation to administer said drugs.

 

[CF87]

Yeah, I believe humans should be allowed to put whatever they want in their body. Instead of using all that money to imprison people with drug addictions, use that money towards more government funded drug rehab centers.

There's not going to be Rehabs probably in the next 5,10 years. If not even sooner than that.

 

[Nephilim96]

There's just no way you can convince someone like me that legalization of all drugs will make things better. I've lost 2 family members to drugs and very nearly a 3rd. That 3rd was a heroin addict and had to do rehab twice plus interventions to get out of it. This person still talks about cravings very often. You make heroin legal, and put it up for sale in a liquor store, this person IS going to relapse. Making it easier for addicts to get their fix means they need to have even stronger willpower. That willpower is extremely hard to come by when your own body and mind is fighting you every step of the way due to addiction.

You guys want to release all of the drug dealers back into the cities, and sell drugs everywhere and somehow that's going to make society better. There's simply no way. Not in the American entitled, blame everyone else but me society we live in right now. "I can do whatever the fuck I want, let 'the man' pay for it" sounds so fucking immature.

Nobody's saying sell heroin in a liquor store, but if you get caught with heroin, you shouldn't have to serve as much jail time as a rapist. That is retarded.

 

[Nephilim96]

There's not going to be Rehabs probably in the next 5,10 years. If not even sooner than that.

and its bullshit.