Ptah Khnemu said:
I thought about something just now. You know what rant this sounds literally exactly like?
"PUNK is for people that stand up for their individual beliefs, and stay strong on their opinions regardless of what others think. PUNK is not about conforming, or trying to impress its about saying "Fuck you, fuck off im glad I pissed you off ,and Im glad you hate us". So Im glad black metal is not a huge trend, Im glad many hate this genre because if it did become super popular it would not be PUNK."
you can also replace punk or black metal with just "Metal" in general. yeah, generic arguement, but you can't use that as an excuse. In fact, metal has roots in punk. Most every early metal band was influenced by punk. Oh Nos!
Yngvai X said:
Yeah, and just like someone who listens to pop music is going to say theres lots of great pop music and its a valid genre, etc. I don't care.
And that could be argued for any genre. People tell me there's great prog and it's a valid genre, but i've yet to hear it. Doesn't mean i'm going to discount it completely. Also doesn't mean i have to like it.
Yngvai X said:
There is nothing to "understand" about blackmetal. Its not some deep artform,
Yes there is something to understand about black metal. I've already said this and explained why, i'm not doing the circular arguement.
Yngvai X said:
or its not even like SYL, which is a satire on metal in and of itself that would require someone to have a deeper understanding behind what Devin is trying to do with the music of SYL in order to "get it."
Just because you, the almighty Matt Moliti of Dark Empire have a boner for SYL doesn't make them this great band. In fact, every SYL disc i've heard is no more than a bunch of boring ass "riffs" thrown together in a hodge podge that is supposed to be genius. And for the record, i have listened to Heavy as a Really Heavy Thing, City, and SYL. I gave up after that, and no i'm not giving Alien or The New Black a try. Fuck that. give me Dark Funeral over SYL any day of the week.
Yngvai X said:
Motorhead still has semblence of melody, not to mention they don't wear KISS makeup and run around proclaiming how evil they are.
Once again, you can't look past production. Black metal has TONS of melody. And given the proper bands (there are lots of them), black metal has some fucking epic composition. Also, you haven't listened to enough black metal if you say it has really as shitty of production as you think. yes, i've heard some pretty crappy sounding discs, but i've also heard some that are great (not just talking about dimmu).
Yngvai X said:
And I know theres talentless hacks in every genre. The problem though, is that the most talentless hacks in powermetal STILL have more talent than the most talentless hacks in blackmetal.
Then you haven't heard some of the power metal out there. shit requires NO talent, just like shitty black metal requires no talent.
Yngvai X said:
Because even shitty powermetal still requires the ability to compose a melody and sing, and play cohesively and with some amount of precision.
I got ahead of myself. No it doesn't. Trust me on this one.
Yngvai X said:
I don't need to be an expert to form an opinion on this kind of music either. I've heard a great deal of it.
Congratulations. Want a cookie? The point is you're taking this past the point of oppinion. more on that later.
Yngvai X said:
I even read that Lords of Chaos book.
The Lords of Chaos book was stupid. It was just a bunch of anti-Varg propaganda. I'm not a big fan of the guy or any of his music, but i don't need 300+ pages on him being racist, faciest, nationalist, etc. etc. for me to dislike the dude.
Yngvai X said:
I even wrote some shitty ass blackmetal songs for fun.
yes, but your goal was to try to make them shitty and you were doing it because you had an hour to kill. how does that validate your arguement? I could write a shitty power metal song or thrash song given an hour and a tape recorder. That gives no credit to your arguement whatsoever.
Yngvai X said:
I think thats more than enough experience with it to form a valid and opinionated argument against why I think its the bottom of the barrel of metal.
No it doesn't because you can't quantify such things. My problem is that you are saying that without a doubt, no arguement to it, BM sucks and everything about it sucks and there's no other answer. You aren't right, just like i'm not right if i say prog sucks and it is the bottom of the barrel of metal. I can accept an oppinion, but you're trying to take this past the point of oppinion and state it as fact, and that i have a big problem with. Oh well, have fun continuing to think you're the king's shit because you have a cd. I'm going to go eat pizza.
