metal masterpieces (songs only)

[Pate]

Sure, Testament might've been faster, and pretty melodic... but the songs never went anywhere, and they NEVER pulled off anything with an extended song, and never had anything like say the middle section of MoP.

Their songs were greatly written: fast, flowing, and constantly interesting.

Why does it matter that a song is 8 minutes long when 6 and a half of them are boring as hell?

And I would dare to say that the harmony solo in "Over the Wall" is far greater and more interesting than the middle of MoP.

You can't seem to accept the fact that maybe some people just don't like Metallica. Anyone who dislikes them is "just being trendy."

 

[Manbient]

I like my songs to be a long flowing journey. It's the same reason i like Opeth. I figured most Opeth fans would see the value in being able to write songs like that. It's not an easy thing to do.

 

[Vegetaman]

Sure, Testament might've been faster, and pretty melodic... but the songs never went anywhere, and they NEVER pulled off anything with an extended song, and never had anything like say the middle section of MoP.

What are you talking about. As an avidly insane Testament fan, I can fairly say that Metallica can't lay a finger on them. Metallica never did anything as amazing as "Over The Wall", "Alone in the Dark", "Souls of Black", "Practice What You Preach", "The New Order", "Disciples of the Watch", "The Preacher", "Into The Pit", etc... AND their whole 'The Gathering' album...

And Testament never sold out.

 

[Manbient]

I love testament, but i always felt like their songs were a completely different category from Metallica. They aren't into writing epics, they are into writing short 3 minute blasts of headbanging more than anything. Maybe i am reducing this all to personal preference, but i like my music EPIC, and testament i don't recall has ever even tried that.

 

[NFU]

I love testament, but i always felt like their songs were a completely different category from Metallica. They aren't into writing epics, they are into writing short 3 minute blasts of headbanging more than anything. Maybe i am reducing this all to personal preference, but i like my music EPIC, and testament i don't recall has ever even tried that.

.


in the realm of thrash, Metallica were indeed the envelope pushers...and im a big testament fan myself, and as much as i dislike the corporate entity that metallica has become, i can still look fondly at master of puppets and the other early works and realize how special they were. the fact that were arguing about testament vs. them is silly anyway, the only other "thrash" band to really even come close to metallicas creativity and level was megadeth...and i think we ALL know why that would be.

 

[MetalManCPA]

What are you talking about. As an avidly insane Testament fan, I can fairly say that Metallica can't lay a finger on them. Metallica never did anything as amazing as "Over The Wall", "Alone in the Dark", "Souls of Black", "Practice What You Preach", "The New Order", "Disciples of the Watch", "The Preacher", "Into The Pit", etc... AND their whole 'The Gathering' album...

And Testament never sold out.

You and Mumblefood are getting into a personal preference argument. As stated a billion times over, a persons favorite band is of personal taste. I happen to like both Metallica and Testament.

More on topic to this thread, Metallica owns Testament as far a having a masterpiece is concerned, whether it be a song or an album. But I base this not on my personal taste, but having followed both bands through their careers. Metallica stood tall over all of their "competitors". They ruled the underground metal scene in their prime, period. Nobody could touch them - Exodus, Testament, Anthrax, and all the other bands considered in the same breath as Metallica.

And I don't think Metallica sold out. Was it their fault that when the Black album hit the streets (personally my favorite Metallica album due to its production) that it would soar to such heights and put Metallica on the map like no other metal band ever has?

 

[NFU]

And I don't think Metallica sold out. Was it their fault that when the Black album hit the streets (personally my favorite Metallica album due to its production) that it would soar to such heights and put Metallica on the map like no other metal band ever has?

nope. it was bob rock's.

 

[soundave]

nope. it was bob rock's.

Completely agree. After all, look at what he did to Motley Crue!!!

Seriously, though... In S&M, James says something like, "You ever hear the one about the rock band that wanted to play with the symphony?" That he referred to Metallica as a "rock band" says so much about their direction. They have a great metal history, but are now more like a pretty good hard rock band. I miss the old days, but at least they were recorded so we haven't LOST them forever. I wonder what's up next for them, post St. Anger fallout. You gotta love an ironic album title...

 

[Vegetaman]

I personally thought Testament's first album The Legacy contained alot more virtuosity and creativity than Metallica's first. Same with The New Order. I felt like Testament pushed the envelope from a technical standpoint and only became heavier, wheras Metallica seemed to become more mellow over time.

But yeah, it's personal preference that I say Testament is better.

 

[BreathingShadow]

Moonsorrow- Sankarihauta
Opeth- Moonlapse Vertigo
Wintersun- Battle Against Time
Edge of Sanity- Crimson II (if you consider that one song)

 

[Pate]

but i like my music EPIC, and testament i don't recall has ever even tried that.

The song "The Legacy" is quite epic.

More on topic to this thread, Metallica owns Testament as far a having a masterpiece is concerned, whether it be a song or an album. But I base this not on my personal taste, but having followed both bands through their careers. Metallica stood tall over all of their "competitors". They ruled the underground metal scene in their prime, period. Nobody could touch them - Exodus, Testament, Anthrax, and all the other bands considered in the same breath as Metallica.

"Standing tall over their competitors" is totally a matter of personal preference also.

And don't think that I am a non-stop Metallica hater. RtL is one of my ten favorite albums of all time. I just find MoP(the whole album) to be pretty boring.

 

[MetalManCPA]

"Standing tall over their competitors" is totally a matter of personal preference.

It's hard to type in context, but my comment has nothing to do with personal preference.

Looking at Metallica totally from a non-musical perspective (my comments not based on my like/dislike for their music), following Metallica through their entire career, it was quite evident in the metal world that Metallica was a benchmark for other bands. Whether it was listening to local college radio stations that played metal, or watching Headbangers Ball on MTV when it was actually half decent, or reading various metal magazines - Metallica was viewed generally above all others. It just seemd that it was Metallica the everybody else.

 

[Pate]

So you're saying that it seemed that way to non-fans and casual listeners?

 

[Vegetaman]

Black Sabbath was a bench mark... I don't feel Metallica was so.

And yes, the song "The Legacy" is very epic. I can't believe I forgot about it.

 

[MetalManCPA]

So you're saying that it seemed that way to non-fans and casual listeners?

Yeah, that's what I mean.

For instance, I'm an aavid Opeth fan, yet from the "outside" world, the general concensus is who the hell is Opeth? Back in Metallica's prime, they were considered THE metal band, and truly with no real equal. Slayer was right on their heels, practically, but not quite on the same level. Then the others were on the next level down (and further).

My comments are about the general perception of the band. Forget the bands true core fans - that doesn't count. But whether you liked Metallica or not, at least people heard of them. There was much less knowledge of the other thrash/speed metal bands of that era (the ones I've mentioned before like Exodus, Anthrax, Testament). Slayer did have a "name", but it still wasn't at the recognition level of Metallica.

 

[Pate]

Quoted from Vegetaman: " He's right. But, that doesn't say anything about Metallica being GOOD."

I was talking about quality, not perception.

If we're going to go by perception, then Slipknot must be the greatest death metal band of all time.


(The walls around me broke away as I typed that)

 

[MetalManCPA]

Black Sabbath was a bench mark... I don't feel Metallica was so.

And yes, the song "The Legacy" is very epic. I can't believe I forgot about it.

Black Sabbath may have been a benchmark in the late 60's/early 70's, but when the 80's underground metal came along, it was about speed/thrash/REAL kick ass, something Black Sabbath wasn't. Metallica, then followed by Slayer, set the standards for that era of metal. Testament was viewed upon as a follower, whether you believe that to be true or not.

 

[MetalManCPA]

Quoted from Vegetaman: " He's right. But, that doesn't say anything about Metallica being GOOD."

I was talking about quality, not perception.

If we're going to go by perception, then Slipknot must be the greatest death metal band of all time.


(The walls around me broke away as I typed that)

In the metal world of the 80's, Metallica was most definately quality. I don't see how anybody could deny that.

 

[Pate]

Kill Em All was pretty good, and RtL was very good.

The Legacy, The New Order, and Practice What You Preach all blow MOP, AJFA, and even KEA out of the fuckin water.

 

[Vegetaman]

Black Sabbath may have been a benchmark in the late 60's/early 70's, but when the 80's underground metal came along, it was about speed/thrash/REAL kick ass, something Black Sabbath wasn't. Metallica, then followed by Slayer, set the standards for that era of metal. Testament was viewed upon as a follower, whether you believe that to be true or not.

Black Sabbath still kicked ass in the '80s. Awesomeness from the Dio years (Heaven and Hell) to Tony Martin era (Headless Cross).

Metallica helped forge the way for thrash metal, yes. But Testament was better at being Metallica than Metallica was.