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My thoughts exactly! Except I could not have put it so eloquently. Thanks Bloodsword, that made my day!
biggsy
New Metal Member
the ironic thing is, despite the awful musical taste and pathetically superstitious worldview, this kenneth guy is clearly way smarter (or maybe just less maladjusted) than any of the dumb losers who rushed to his or the sanctity of this forum's defense
Draehl
Lurker
I think the only thing metalheads are truly guilty of as a whole is not being open enough to other types of music, though that can be said of other genres as well.
The way I see it you have 3 types of music listeners, increasing in depth, musical maturity, etc. They tend to correspond to age pretty well.
1) The Primitive: Listens to only what is shoved in their face. IE pop as a genre, and the most popular artists of every other genre. Your average MTV/radio whore. While there is certain degree of open-mindedness here it seems limited entirely to music with an over the top level of catchiness.
2) The Disciple: A Primitive who has dived into a certain genre head first. While there tends to be fairly deep musical exploration within said genre (especially near the end of this phase) they are incredibly loyal towards said genre and tend to lash out at positive opinions about any other genre. Generally quite close minded, but exploration deeper into said genre at least is taking place.
3) The Enlightened: Seemingly coming full circle back to the Primitive state the Enlightened has expanded their musical taste, yet retains the exploratory nature of the Disciple, yet without the rabid loyalty they previously possessed. Taste (essentially listening experience) + Willingness to explore + open mindedness = enlightened.
I think I'm somewhat near the end of the disciple phase as I'm starting to explore other genres to an extent, but remain somewhat fanatical about metal. \m/
The way I see it you have 3 types of music listeners, increasing in depth, musical maturity, etc. They tend to correspond to age pretty well.
1) The Primitive: Listens to only what is shoved in their face. IE pop as a genre, and the most popular artists of every other genre. Your average MTV/radio whore. While there is certain degree of open-mindedness here it seems limited entirely to music with an over the top level of catchiness.
2) The Disciple: A Primitive who has dived into a certain genre head first. While there tends to be fairly deep musical exploration within said genre (especially near the end of this phase) they are incredibly loyal towards said genre and tend to lash out at positive opinions about any other genre. Generally quite close minded, but exploration deeper into said genre at least is taking place.
3) The Enlightened: Seemingly coming full circle back to the Primitive state the Enlightened has expanded their musical taste, yet retains the exploratory nature of the Disciple, yet without the rabid loyalty they previously possessed. Taste (essentially listening experience) + Willingness to explore + open mindedness = enlightened.
I think I'm somewhat near the end of the disciple phase as I'm starting to explore other genres to an extent, but remain somewhat fanatical about metal. \m/
hexwind
Creepiness Och Terrorism
interesting
dwoakee
Suboptimization Expert
is metal more self-parodic than gangsta rap? i think both of these two genres suffer from too many of their protagonists trying just too hard. when the overall topic is to present yourself as brutal and evil as can be then there's two options: either you just pretend to be brutal and evil or you really are. in the first case it will be self-parodic as soon as the listener notices it, in the latter you end up in jail and your audience (hopefully) dwindles.
there are ways for bands to avoid this pitfall:
1) make it clear that it's all just a show. make it clear that you love to sing about satanic and occult topics although you definitely don't believe in it (opeth?). keep smiling on stage and be good-natured. wear costumes that are appear ironic from day one. (kiss?)
2) market your fury as criticism, about the state of the world, the society, the economy, environmental issues, ... for this option a certain amount of intelligence should be available in a band, so that's not always an option
3) ... prolly there's more.
There are bands that find there way out of this and for this reason i state that metal as a whole is not self-parodic, but i agree that many bands are.
PeeWee1473
I just pretend to know
I posted on dd like 15 times but never ended up consistently posting there, for one reason or another. maybe I'll give welpfolks a shot, I was lurking and it's pretty funny.
i didn't say anything back because i didn't find your overlong tome to be worthy of discussion. but since you care so much, here goes:
your argument is that music isn't that important for everyone, so it's ok to have shitty taste if you don't care about music that much. this is the stupidest thing i've ever heard. for example i'm not an art connoisseur by any stretch of the imagination, i know very little about art history etc. but that doesn't mean i shouldn't have discerning taste. i'm an intelligent person so i have a basic understanding about talent, creativity, expression etc in art so it doesn't matter that i'm not especially passionate on the subject, i'm still not an idiot and i'm generally open-minded to different ideas and forms of expression.
your metaphor of programming languages is the dumbest thing i've ever heard in my life, a programming language (or an actual language) is a skill that you have to learn, there's no issue of having discerning taste. sure, calculus isn't everybody's passion, but i don't get on anybody's case for not knowing it, it's a specialized skill.
and folks, keep in mind through all of this that you are defending a genre of music whose dominant fanbase is like 16-21. i mean what else do i really have to say
CadenZ
Son of Crom
Who cares if the fanbase is 16-21 or 55-82 or anything else? If you care about what others think, then it's not your taste or preference anymore, but the others'.
Annihilat0r
TRINITY WATCH IN AMAZING!
Exclusive metal listeners are usually dumber than people who listen to other genres of music exclusively. Metal people are usually morons, because they think "metal is a way of life hell yeah \m/". Here's a tip: IT ISN'T, IT'S JUST A GENRE OF MUSIC, YOU SHITBAG. CUT THAT LONG HAIR. They also think metal is undeniably superior to other types of music which is a horrible lie. Enough percentage of metal sucks that I can say "Metal Sucks" safely and scientifically, without being out of the standard confidence interval. One word: NIGHTWISH.
Metal isn't better than other types of music, its ratio of good to bad isn't better than even pop music. God, I really can't stand metal people; pop/jazz etc listeners don't label themselves as popheads or jazzheads and deny the existence of good songs that aren't their genre; plus they're far more open to other types than metal listeners. If you label yourself a metalhead, you suck, and if you died your countries' GDP per capita would probably go higher, so act like a patriot and do your country a favor.
Metal isn't better than other types of music, its ratio of good to bad isn't better than even pop music. God, I really can't stand metal people; pop/jazz etc listeners don't label themselves as popheads or jazzheads and deny the existence of good songs that aren't their genre; plus they're far more open to other types than metal listeners. If you label yourself a metalhead, you suck, and if you died your countries' GDP per capita would probably go higher, so act like a patriot and do your country a favor.
CadenZ
Son of Crom
^ 
You shouldn't throw in the word "scientifically" if your conclusion comes from your personal opinion ("metal sucks").
So is a person a metalhead is he/she likes mostly metal but doesn't like "sucky" metal bands but only the "good" ones? If this person is open to other genres as well, listens to, say, classical, jazz, fusion, pop, folk etc. but still likes metal the most and listens almost exclusively to metal - is this person a metalhead and therefore sucks?
You shouldn't throw in the word "scientifically" if your conclusion comes from your personal opinion ("metal sucks").So is a person a metalhead is he/she likes mostly metal but doesn't like "sucky" metal bands but only the "good" ones? If this person is open to other genres as well, listens to, say, classical, jazz, fusion, pop, folk etc. but still likes metal the most and listens almost exclusively to metal - is this person a metalhead and therefore sucks?
Nasty-Fire
Discursion
I'm a metalhead and you are making prejudices. Do you really believe what you just said? Every single metalhead is close-minded, thinks metal is a way of life (why couldn't it be?), believe that metal is the superior music (I just don't they prefer it, otherwise they wouldn't be metalheads, so what's the matter?) and you just add that's it's an horrible lie. How ironic. Life if you knew. The word "scientifically" also seems to be based on your little miserable experience with metalheads and you are the one who's close-minded by considering every metalheads as "shitbags" and suggesting them to cut their hair. Seriously, think again. This is not something that you can be right about. It's personnal, and I wonder why you care about these metalheads. Tell me what they have done to you?
On a personnal level, I also had certain experiences with thugs with their music or their mere attitude but hey, guess what, I know that there are many of these guys that are so nice and respectful, unlike those I met. The worst error you've done is to generalize and pretend you know everything about "us". Dumber
what the heck does that mean? You should review your whole life and way of seeing it, right now.Hmm and if it was all irony (which I doubt because of the length) well my post is adressed to those who think this way.
And stop adressing yourself to "folks", the dominant fanbase is 16-21, you douchebag. Seriously, what a sophism. You're just telling us that younger people are more mature and rationnal than you.
Kenneth R.
Cináed
Tubbs
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Annihilat0r
TRINITY WATCH IN AMAZING!
mueahahaha, I didn't know that "scientifically" would be so focused upon! it was just a joke, because I said "confidence interval" right after that, which is a subject in the statistics branch in mathematics. should have thought about the level of education of people here, sorry.
metal is a GENRE of MUSIC. if you're taking it as a way of life, you're no different than uber-nerds who can't get out of their fantasy movies in real life; star wars etc (you are not darth vader or a stormtrooper, you should get over it). star wars is a MOVIE and it shouldn't be a part of your daily life and just like that, metal is MUSIC and it shouldn't affect what you are doing in life when you're not listening to or playing (etc) music. it is not a way of life and even if it is, it is the worst type I can think of (BEER BEER BEER BEER SMASH THINGS HELL YEAH!!!!!)
you people ("sensible" people at internet boards) are so sweating to be politically correct all the time that over the years I have become devastatingly sick about it, so I have decided to have fun with you and the super respect you hollowly pay to other opinions. this is not a diplomatic UN negotiation between high officials of some countries in the middle east. you should be able to say "that band you're listening?? it sucks beyond belief, eat shit" instead of "i personally don't personally like that band very much personally to be honest with you I'm sorry, but of course that's your taste and that's your opinion surely, I respect that hugely". GOD.
metalheads who get offended when it's smacked in their faces that A HUGE PORTION OF METAL IS UNLISTENABLE, get over this. metal is not better than any type of music.
/rant
metal is a GENRE of MUSIC. if you're taking it as a way of life, you're no different than uber-nerds who can't get out of their fantasy movies in real life; star wars etc (you are not darth vader or a stormtrooper, you should get over it). star wars is a MOVIE and it shouldn't be a part of your daily life and just like that, metal is MUSIC and it shouldn't affect what you are doing in life when you're not listening to or playing (etc) music. it is not a way of life and even if it is, it is the worst type I can think of (BEER BEER BEER BEER SMASH THINGS HELL YEAH!!!!!)
you people ("sensible" people at internet boards) are so sweating to be politically correct all the time that over the years I have become devastatingly sick about it, so I have decided to have fun with you and the super respect you hollowly pay to other opinions. this is not a diplomatic UN negotiation between high officials of some countries in the middle east. you should be able to say "that band you're listening?? it sucks beyond belief, eat shit" instead of "i personally don't personally like that band very much personally to be honest with you I'm sorry, but of course that's your taste and that's your opinion surely, I respect that hugely". GOD.
metalheads who get offended when it's smacked in their faces that A HUGE PORTION OF METAL IS UNLISTENABLE, get over this. metal is not better than any type of music.
/rant
CadenZ
Son of Crom
I agree that anyone should be able to say that a band sucks, the problem is when somebody tells other people that their music taste sucks. That's an attack on someone's persona, and is uncalled for. So do voice your opinion, harshly if you want, but there's no need to insult someone because their taste isn't the same as yours.
Also, sometimes music can be a way of life without being fantasy/nerd/unreal. All metal lyrics aren't about drinking beer and smashing things, there are lots of lyrics and music that discuss topics like philosophy, society, relations, religion etc; topics which are natural elements of most everybody's REAL LIFE. These lyrics sometimes reflect thoughts or happenings in a person's real life, or may influence or inspire the person into thinking or acting in some direction. For example, a very depressed person who's on the brink of suicide due to relational issues may find consolation in Katatonia's music and lyrics, and doesn't tie the noose. Another example is a satanist who gets inspired into living life even more to the fullest and becomes even more convinced and inspired of his own strength by listening to Emperor's music and lyrics. I'd say that's not that far away from calling it a way of life.
Also, sometimes music can be a way of life without being fantasy/nerd/unreal. All metal lyrics aren't about drinking beer and smashing things, there are lots of lyrics and music that discuss topics like philosophy, society, relations, religion etc; topics which are natural elements of most everybody's REAL LIFE. These lyrics sometimes reflect thoughts or happenings in a person's real life, or may influence or inspire the person into thinking or acting in some direction. For example, a very depressed person who's on the brink of suicide due to relational issues may find consolation in Katatonia's music and lyrics, and doesn't tie the noose. Another example is a satanist who gets inspired into living life even more to the fullest and becomes even more convinced and inspired of his own strength by listening to Emperor's music and lyrics. I'd say that's not that far away from calling it a way of life.
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