Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater...
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IronMaiden15
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Me too actually. Even though the intro to the title track is the most blatant Yes rip-off I've ever heard.
I'm not really sure what to think of this. I respect the musicianship of Dream Theater and would play them every so once in a while. I just never got used to Labrie's vocals. The only thing I can really say is that I'm glad I've seen him play with Dream Theater when they opened up for Iron Maiden before he split.
Harry Hughes
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I don't deliberately target your posts or anything. Don't think I quote most of your posts at all.
Generally I'll look at a post first, and then hit "quote" if I want to reply to it, regardless of who posted it.
Nothing personal mang and apologies if you felt I perhaps I was doing this deliberately or something.
TheWinterSnow
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beat me to it!
Everyone treats Octavarium as the album that doesn't exist. Its the diamond in the rough of all the shit that surrounds it. To me everything fell after scenes from a memory, but then again, it was the bands first album with Jordan and he was trying to fill Moore's shoes (considering he was the original fill in for Moore on the Awake tour), with that and the fact that they where rehashing old Moore ideas the album seemed like they would be on track after their "Falling into Infinity" flop. But no, Rudess began finding his own electronica sound and Portnoy discovered the hard mainstream metal. The only issue with Rudess now IMO is his choice of synth sounds and the fact that his improv sounds just like Moore, which bugs the shit out of me becuase he should be bringing that to DO, not what he has been bringing tot he table, but maybe with Portnoy gone from pushing the mainstream nu-metal, we might get to see a very old school Dream Theater.
I notice that DT members started doing solo projects when DT's sound changed dramatically, it seems like the other members wanted to keep a more old school sound and expressed that in solo music and maybe that is what happened, the rest of the band had a different idea of what they wanted to express musically than Portnoy.
Chryst Krispies
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Every album has SOMETHING I like about it. I and W is probably my favorite yeah, but the last few have had some cool stuff I thought.
guitarguru777
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i would agree of the last few albums Octavarium is a shiny jewel, but it still doesnt compare to I&W or Awake!
Harry Hughes
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I haven't heard Octavarium in a LONG time.
The only memorable bits for me are some riffs on the opening track. .
To be honest, I find Systematic Chaos even more memorable, if only for the hilariously bad lyrics that I read every now and then for some laughs.
And that's been another problem with recent DT, is that you're getting your groove on, and then suddenly they do a complete 180 degrees with the musical ideas, and it loses all the fun, and by the time you've realized it's lost all the fun, suddenly there's a new totally new riff that is no way musically connected to the last happening.
It bothers me that because a band is labeled as "prog" they feel they have to change riffs every 10 seconds, but they don't have to do that at all.
Band's like Gojira and Periphery have proved you can bring the prog, yet still groove like a moose.
The only memorable bits for me are some riffs on the opening track. .
To be honest, I find Systematic Chaos even more memorable, if only for the hilariously bad lyrics that I read every now and then for some laughs.
And that's been another problem with recent DT, is that you're getting your groove on, and then suddenly they do a complete 180 degrees with the musical ideas, and it loses all the fun, and by the time you've realized it's lost all the fun, suddenly there's a new totally new riff that is no way musically connected to the last happening.
It bothers me that because a band is labeled as "prog" they feel they have to change riffs every 10 seconds, but they don't have to do that at all.
Band's like Gojira and Periphery have proved you can bring the prog, yet still groove like a moose.
Felix Neumann
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I´m pretty shocked..I didn´t expect this, thought it´s a rumor 
Okay well, I vote for Thomas Lang being the new DT drummer
Okay well, I vote for Thomas Lang being the new DT drummer
chesterfieldblues
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I agree too, for me, Awake is DT masterpiece, I always wanted they would get Kevin Moore back, his parts have always been the true "Dream" from the name of this band.
Now for the new drummer replacing, it is not easy, considering Portnoy was maybe the main writer of all these compound time signatures...
Now for the new drummer replacing, it is not easy, considering Portnoy was maybe the main writer of all these compound time signatures...
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CAlexanderParra
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JayB
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After reading Mike's interview and seeing how DT responded to his wanting time off, I say fuck DT. If he's having more fun with the other bands , he deserves to be happy.
Keregioz
Kimon Zeliotis
I don't really have a favorite album but I'm surprised no one mentioned "scenes from a memory" which according to a lot of people is the peak of their career. "Home" is my favorite DT song.
as much as i love IAW and awake, my two favs are still 6DOIT and ToT!!
ive been a DT fan since once in a livetime live CD i think, and it's still very surreal to hear bout MP leaving!
ive been a DT fan since once in a livetime live CD i think, and it's still very surreal to hear bout MP leaving!
Dimaura
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If he's not having fun, and he's already made his bucks, what is the point?
"Strangely enough, I just read an interview that I recently did that asked me about the future of DREAM THEATER and I talked about 'always following your heart and being true to yourself' -MP
"Strangely enough, I just read an interview that I recently did that asked me about the future of DREAM THEATER and I talked about 'always following your heart and being true to yourself' -MP
TheWinterSnow
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I happen to like pop music on occasion and I still like the older linkin park, but Octavarium to LP? Yes the album is more reserved, less prog and more pop oriented. They (mostly Mike) where into Muse at the time they wrote the album. Honestly that album was more relevant to who they where in the old days. IaW and Awake where Prog rock albums with a very large dosage of late 80's early 90's pop. Octavarium was the more conservative, modern pop version of what their pinnacle albums where. It may have reflected modern mainstream music yes, but so did their first two albums (not counting their 1989 release when dream and day unite) with the music of the time.
To analyze that album, not counting the title track, all the songs don't go of on a wild tangent, not even once. Most of the songs length are about the typical length of a DT song prior to ToT. Where Octavarium, while being 24 minutes long, is composed of a few completely different songs held together by transistion movements that end at the point where they become boring.
If we take for example the song on Systematic Chaos, "The Ministry of Lost Souls" The song ends about half way from when it really ends, instead they play jam band for the next 4 minutes without any vocals, just them jammin away with something that totally didn't fit the mood of of the song as a whole. This also happens even more severely in BCaSL. And while Octavarium was closer in song structure to ToT, ToT was too stright forward "metal" for the band and the huge difference between the two was that Octavarium took the same formula and made it more pop conservative similar to their older music. It still stands out as a different sound, but it has been the closest thing to the older dream theater since SFAM. And if you can't stand pop music whatsoever, you can still respect octavarium for the fact that at they where tasteful on the length and passages of choice on that album. Where the title track was 24 minutes, it doesn't seem that long, but since Systematic Chaos, it sounds like they have been trying to stretch 4 minute songs into 20+ minute songs, which in the end is about as tasteless as Zakk Wylde's excessive pinches.
Agreed! To me, Scenes was their "retirement album." I tried getting into the albums afterwards (SDoIT, etc.) and they just never did anything for me.
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