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[:Wreath:]

^ Love your sig man

People ask him for his knowledge on music. He dislikes alot of the music people on the board listen to because he has heard better.

He dislikes a lot of the people on the board because they don't listen to the music he does :Smug:

But like you said: just characters on a screen and it's always nice to bring a little controversy here to kill off some of the boredom...

 

[JoeVice]

nfu's input is awesome. he does know a wide variety of music. but, his attitude inspires a lot of meaningless discussion. half of our music discussion consists of making fun of bands. christ, we make threads for it. what is the point of sharing your hate for a band, followed by your disgust of people who do like that band?

but, as far as the flame wars and people getting worked up about ninefeet...yah, thats silly. i'm sure a lot of it is fueled by communication breakdowns like misinterpereted sarcasm, lack of non-verbal signals. (the smilies just don't cut it, they are more of a joke themselves)

our discussion is very limited by the fact that we can't sit down with someone who we are disagreeing with, plop in the album of subject, and point things out to eachother in person. when discussing music further than, "this band is good, this band sucks, i like 4:09 on track 4," not being able to see the other person's face and rewinding that part 5 times over to listen to it again is a hindrance. i would love to sit down with ninefeet, listen to some ephel duath, (a band that we disagreed on) and point out some of the things about them that i really like. i know that i could guide him to see the light.

 

[Abhorsen]

^ Love your sig man

Thanks

 

[CAIRATH]

I wanted to give my 2 cents (though I already did so that would make it 4 cents) but everything's already been said really.

But screw it, I'll say what I wanted to say anyway. Having an Opeth forum only for Opeth related discussion is pointless. There's only so much to discuss about Opeth and for most of us who have been here for many years we have said and read everything about Opeth that there is to say and read. And until Opeth releases something new (which I wouldn't expect to happen anytime soon) that's going to stay that way.

The only way you're going to be able to maintain a solid online community is if you allow the discussion to venture outside of the really narrow subject (Opeth) that the forum is made for. The way I see internet forums is that "the Opeth forum" does not mean "the place where everyone talks about Opeth" but "the place where Opeth fans meet and talk about stuff". Now stuff can be many things obviously, and I don't think giving posters complete free reign is a good thing either. There are other places where you can talk about football, TV shows and that kind of stuff. But I really don't see what is wrong with general music discussions on this forum, no matter what genre or how related or unrelated to Opeth they are. Mikael is obviously openminded when it comes to his music taste so why on earth wouldn't we be allowed to use this forum to exchange information about other music besides Opeth and Opeth related bands? The people who do come here to only read about Opeth can just skip any topic that indicates some other band and stick to reading exciting "favourite album" polls and "Interview with Mikael" threads where he just says the same thing he's pretty much been saying for the past 8 years.

And to respond in haver speak to all the people who think haver's forum is superior to this one: lol @ ppl who think havers forum is better

I have never seen a bigger cesspool and honestly am still confused how NFU can be so elitist on one hand and then hang around on a forum run by someone who likes maybe 5 bands and replies "this band blows" to pretty much every suggestion. I guess you just like being a moderator, right NFU? You're a big boy now. Yes you are. Yes you are.

For the record I think Moonlapse and Samsara are doing a decent enough job and I have nothing against either of them, but it would be nice if someone would talk some sense into Anna and make her realize that this is not the way to run a healthy online community. Deleting threads out of nowhere only creates confusion and annoyance and doesn't help anything (see the Enslaved thread that got deleted a while ago and then re-made by someone else because no one had any clue what happened to the old one).

Yep. Stuff.

 

[Abhorsen]

For the record I think Moonlapse and Samsara are doing a decent enough job and I have nothing against either of them, but it would be nice if someone would talk some sense into Anna and make her realize that this is not the way to run a healthy online community. Deleting threads out of nowhere only creates confusion and annoyance and doesn't help anything (see the Enslaved thread that got deleted a while ago and then re-made by someone else because no one had any clue what happened to the old one).

This last paragraph is pretty much spot-on. <i love this smiley btw>

 

[Abhorsen]

And to respond in haver speak to all the people who think haver's forum is superior to this one: lol @ ppl who think havers forum is better

I have never seen a bigger cesspool and honestly am still confused how NFU can be so elitist on one hand and then hang around on a forum run by someone who likes maybe 5 bands and replies "this band blows" to pretty much every suggestion. I guess you just like being a moderator, right NFU? You're a big boy now. Yes you are. Yes you are.

Not better, but different. Cesspool yes, but that's the point of gunny's soon-to-be-deceased forum, and there is a place in the proper context, such as an independent forum, for an anything goes type of approach, especially in light of what is detailed above about mysteriously deleted posts/threads etc... My problem with gunny is consistency, or lack thereof, same with this forum as it relates to what's been outlined above. Gunny's not sure what he wants and so it's hard to build a community on that, whereas the official forum is here to stay, most likely, but there needs to be consistency in the way the community is maintained.

 

[Alteredmindeath]

Mike starts writing the new Opeth album in 2007 until then Hasta la vista.

 

[:Wreath:]

^ We'll miss you...


Hahaha no we won't, lol



Anyhow, good to see us 'fanboys' and 'morons' speak (write) with sense

 

[affinityband]

Actually the worst time is when they start writing the new album. Last time it was horrific.

 

[Don Corleone]

i hate it when threads are deleted and i really miss the olds days of this board...when we had the off-topic section, too, three-four years back...lovely place with a lot of humor and activity. nowadays all we do is list our top ten fave things on different topics or talk about opeth's gear.

i like to talk off-topic with people whom i share some interests...especially my favorite band, opeth. and i dont think that sounds really ridiculous now, does it?

 

[prowlergrig]

i miss the enslaved thread

 

[JoeVice]

well, there are a lot more fans now, new fans are posting all of the time...people that have never had a chance to discuss the topics that you are sick of discussing. is it a bandwidth issue or something? i don't know jack shit about computers. or is it the trash that is discussed, like what is on haver's forum, that killed the off-topic section. thats something that banning can take care of.

why isn't there an off-topic section anymore?

 

[CAIRATH]

well, there are a lot more fans now, new fans are posting all of the time...people that have never had a chance to discuss the topics that you are sick of discussing.

I don't have a problem with that at all. That happens on any forum if you stick around long enough. It just gets annoying when that is *all* that is being posted. If us old timers are allowed to make other music related threads then I have no problem putting up with all the lame polls and whatever else new people want to discuss. But if that is all that is allowed then there is not much incentive for people like me to stay here. And yes, you could argue that we could just leave, but some of us used to really like this place and the people who were here and we don't like the fact that it was essentially ruined by among other things the ridiculous off-topic policy and the fact that trolls were allowed to go on and on without ever getting banned (ie people like gunhaver).

A good healthy forum policy and more strict moderation (ie ban people who are just being annoying for the sake of being annoying without ever contributing anything worthwhile) would clear up a good amount of the rubbish on this forum and make it more interesting to read again.

is it a bandwidth issue or something? i don't know jack shit about computers. or is it the trash that is discussed, like what is on haver's forum, that killed the off-topic section. thats something that banning can take care of.

From what I remember (which is not much because this was years ago) the reason why it was shut down was partially because forums cost the band money (like 80 bucks a year or something?) and they did not want to pay for an offtopic forum that contained stuff that was not really related or supported by the band (stuff like political discussions and so on). So both reasons, I guess.

It's vaguely understandable but nothing that a community collection and a good disclaimer couldn't have fixed. But they chose the more rigorous solution.

 

[Alteredmindeath]

^ We'll miss you...

uke:
Hahaha no we won't, lol



Anyhow, good to see us 'fanboys' and 'morons' speak (write) with sense

Who in the fuck are you

 

[batastrophe]

I saw someone post about needing some norwegian translated (or something like that), and as soon as I clicked on it, it was deleted. This new rule is lame.

 

[JoeVice]

I don't have a problem with that at all. That happens on any forum if you stick around long enough. It just gets annoying when that is *all* that is being posted. If us old timers are allowed to make other music related threads then I have no problem putting up with all the lame polls and whatever else new people want to discuss. But if that is all that is allowed then there is not much incentive for people like me to stay here. And yes, you could argue that we could just leave, but some of us used to really like this place and the people who were here and we don't like the fact that it was essentially ruined by among other things the ridiculous off-topic policy and the fact that trolls were allowed to go on and on without ever getting banned (ie people like gunhaver).

A good healthy forum policy and more strict moderation (ie ban people who are just being annoying for the sake of being annoying without ever contributing anything worthwhile) would clear up a good amount of the rubbish on this forum and make it more interesting to read again.



From what I remember (which is not much because this was years ago) the reason why it was shut down was partially because forums cost the band money (like 80 bucks a year or something?) and they did not want to pay for an offtopic forum that contained stuff that was not really related or supported by the band (stuff like political discussions and so on). So both reasons, I guess.

It's vaguely understandable but nothing that a community collection and a good disclaimer couldn't have fixed. But they chose the more rigorous solution.

so, the offtopic forum costs extra money? couldn't a few people chip in and pay for that? would that be worth it for enough people? and i agree, there should be strict moderation on an off-topic forum. there is quite often a lot of meaningless trash, i.e. haver's forum. but, that place is a group of friends...and they find it fun to post pics of dead children and shit splattering porn...i guess ya can't blame them for that.

 

[Manbient]

really? so Haver's forum is an imitation of the original sot? what a fag.

 

[affinityband]

Its quite a laugh to read it every once in a while though.

 

[:Wreath:]

Who in the fuck are you

Same back at ya...

 

[illidurit]

lol there's one thread in which to post random offensive things, the rest is just a happy friendship circle of love!