New Death Metal Mix, coments?

[Bloodsoaked666]

This is a mix of my new Death Metal song with vocals. I would love to get any and all coments good or bad.

2 guitar tracks paned left
2 guitar tracks paned right
1 bass track center
1 drum machine track
vocals centered

http://www.lightningmp3.com/live/file.php?fid=5216


Thank you to anyone willing to download, listen and coment. Any questions please ask.


Peter

 

[Nebulous]

If you were going for an alters of madness sound, i'd say you acheived it
I would be inclined to back off a tad with the vocal FX, and put a tiny bit of top-end into the guitars. It sort of sounds like you've low passed them too far. It might help fill things up if you put a bit of highs in the bass to bring some of it's attack out.

 

[loomis103]

For guitars 100% left, 100%right, 80%left, 80%right. Try that and add some high end. If you can try a different kick sample. Something clickier. Its really ringy in the fast part.

 

[everybody's x]

Hey Peter,

First a disclaimer, I write/record hard rock/sometimes kinda metalish stuff. In other words I'm not a death-metal dude.

I do however record it quite often for others.

in other words take my commentary with a grain of salt.

It feels a little weird to hear death vocals all reverbed out. I would dry them up or maybe pre-delay the verb by 40 miliseconds or so to dry them up slightly.

The drum machine sounds too drum machine-ish to me, I hate the ride sound and the quick double bass gets pretty weird when you hit the high BPMs. Maybe run another track in parallel or trash it out with some crazy distorto-compression to de-machine them a little

That may be exactly what you wanted to do with it and I am not getting it, if so disregard.

All in all I can hear everything, and nothing is sticking out from the mix as not fitting.

I am picking up a LOT of low end mud in the 60-80 hz area, maybe a low shelf would clear it up.

Song itself is pretty redundant, in pre-production I would have shaved a a minute off and maybe added a tempo change a bridge and a solo

but then again that's a stylistic angle.

 

[du8]

this really reminds me of the good old days of Death Metal.

I would agree that the guitars could use a little bit more high end. And perhaps take a little of the high mids out of the drums. Drum machine cymbals can be a bit much when they are going a million miles an hour.

brutal stuff.

 

[Bloodsoaked666]

Ok, I have added some high-end to the guitars, removed a decent amount of reverb from the vocals, paned the guitars 100, 100, 80, 80 and removed the ride cymbal and replaced it in allot of places with the hi-hit.

Here is a link to download the new mix:

http://www.lightningmp3.com/live/file.php?fid=5225


Any comments on the new mix?

Peter

 

[Bloodsoaked666]

this really reminds me of the good old days of Death Metal.

I would agree that the guitars could use a little bit more high end. And perhaps take a little of the high mids out of the drums. Drum machine cymbals can be a bit much when they are going a million miles an hour.

brutal stuff.

Glad to ehar that it reminds you of some old-school death metal. I did add some high end to the guitar as suggested from jsut about everyone. See the link above.


Peter

 

[Bloodsoaked666]

For guitars 100% left, 100%right, 80%left, 80%right. Try that and add some high end. If you can try a different kick sample. Something clickier. Its really ringy in the fast part.

I did pan the guitars on my new mix as you suggested 100% left, 100%right, 80%left, 80%right and added some high end. I also removed the ride cymbal on the fast parts as it was making everything to ringy as you said, I don't think it was the kick. Check out the new link above and let me know if you notice a difference, good or bad.


Thank you.

 

[Bloodsoaked666]

If you were going for an alters of madness sound, i'd say you acheived it
I would be inclined to back off a tad with the vocal FX, and put a tiny bit of top-end into the guitars. It sort of sounds like you've low passed them too far. It might help fill things up if you put a bit of highs in the bass to bring some of it's attack out.

I remember getting Alters of Madness when it came out and I still love that CD at age 36. I am going for an old-school feel to my death metal music but I do not want it to sound dated either.

I removed some of the reverb from the vocals I am not sure if this is what you were talking regading the FX on the vocals but that is about all I ahve except for some EQ and compression.

I did add some high end to the guitars as well. The link is above, let me know if you notice a diference.


Peter

 

[AStacy2]

Sounds pretty good, I would take even more reverb off the vocals though. Instead of the reverb making the vox fit in better, I think it puts them in a different space than the rest of the mix and it sounds kind of awkward to me. The old school vibe is pretty killer too

 

[Bloodsoaked666]

Hey Peter,

First a disclaimer, I write/record hard rock/sometimes kinda metalish stuff. In other words I'm not a death-metal dude.

I do however record it quite often for others.

in other words take my commentary with a grain of salt.

Thanks for taking the time to listen and make a good amount of comments.

It feels a little weird to hear death vocals all reverbed out. I would dry them up or maybe pre-delay the verb by 40 miliseconds or so to dry them up slightly.

I removed a good amount of reverb from the vocals, let me know if you notice any difference.

The drum machine sounds too drum machine-ish to me, I hate the ride sound and the quick double bass gets pretty weird when you hit the high BPMs. Maybe run another track in parallel or trash it out with some crazy distorto-compression to de-machine them a little

That may be exactly what you wanted to do with it and I am not getting it, if so disregard.

I would say I am happy with the kick sound I have, I have never been happy with my ride cymbal sound. I went back and replaced it with the hi-hat in alot of the fast parts. I think it sounds better.

All in all I can hear everything, and nothing is sticking out from the mix as not fitting..

At least I did something right...LOL...just kidding.

I am picking up a LOT of low end mud in the 60-80 hz area, maybe a low shelf would clear it up.

I am still very new at home recording never mind mixing so when you say "maybe a low shelf would clear it up", I have no idea what your talking about...LOL I am asuming you want me to use a parametric EQ and bring down the levels in the 60-80 hz range? But I am not sure???

Song itself is pretty redundant, in pre-production I would have shaved a a minute off and maybe added a tempo change a bridge and a solo .

Damn, and I thought this was my most well writing song from the 5 I writen adn recorded. Your killing me....

Thank you for taking the time to listen and comment on the song. I appreciate your time.


Peter

 

[loomis103]

Turn the vocals down a little. They seem a little to loud to me.

edit*
I was talking about the second mix

 

[Bloodsoaked666]

Just to make things easier for anyone following this thread. Here are links to the first and second mixes.

First Mix: http://www.lightningmp3.com/live/file.php?fid=5216


Second Mix: http://www.lightningmp3.com/live/file.php?fid=5225


Thank you again to everyone for your comments.


Peter

 

[Nebulous]

Starting to sound better now. I think the hard panned "backing" vocal parts are a bit awkward in the mix cos they have so much low frequency energy in them. They just seem more upfront than the main vocals, so a bit of a reduction in the lows might help them sit better.
What did you use to record the guitars?

 

[du8]

I think the guitars sound much better. They really dissapeared during the verses of the first mix. I can hear them just fine now. I think going to the Hi-hat sound was a good choice too.

 

[MX582]

snare sounds too quiet to me and on some of the rolls it sounds very "machined" but i guess its not easy to make a drum machine sound like someones actually playing

 

[Bloodsoaked666]

Sounds pretty good, I would take even more reverb off the vocals though. Instead of the reverb making the vox fit in better, I think it puts them in a different space than the rest of the mix and it sounds kind of awkward to me. The old school vibe is pretty killer too

Thanks for the comments. I am going to tweek it a bit over the next few days and I will post a clip with less reverb on the vocals. Glad your liking the Old-School sound!!!!


Peter

 

[Bloodsoaked666]

Turn the vocals down a little. They seem a little to loud to me.

edit*
I was talking about the second mix

Really? I did nothing to the vocals except remove some of the reverb from the 1st to the 2nd mix. hmmmmmmmmmmmm


Peter

 

[Bloodsoaked666]

Starting to sound better now. I think the hard panned "backing" vocal parts are a bit awkward in the mix cos they have so much low frequency energy in them. They just seem more upfront than the main vocals, so a bit of a reduction in the lows might help them sit better.
What did you use to record the guitars?

I agree about the panned backing vocals as they seems to sit more in front of the main vocals. I will tweek that.

I used my V-Amp Pro for the guitars and bass. 4 guitar tracks in total. I recorded 2 tracks with the off-axis cabinet and 2 tracks with the vintage cabinet. All the setting were exactly the same, only the cabs changed.

I love my V-Amp Pro, I live in an apartment so I can record guitars and bass at 3:00 in the morning with no issues and not ahve to worry about waking anyone up. For myslef it was the best investment I made.


Peter

 

[Bloodsoaked666]

I think the guitars sound much better. They really dissapeared during the verses of the first mix. I can hear them just fine now. I think going to the Hi-hat sound was a good choice too.

Myslef, I can only notice a very small difference from the 1st to the 2nd mix. Maybe I need to take a break and come back to listen again later?!?!

Yeah, I am happy with the hi-hat choice as well.


Peter