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Metal Mistress
This generally sums up how I feel. I don't think Dragonforce is bad or untalented, I just think that they get a lot of credit in a genre that has been around a lot longer than they have and has been forged and re-forged by bands that are 10x better. I don't think Dragonforce is anything revolutionary, just popular. Just cause you can play fast, doesn't make you the greatest band/guitar player ever, at least not IMO, but a lot of folks see Dragonforce that way because they are well-promoted and have co-branded with things (like Guitar Hero) that have put them in place in popular culture.For those who follow power metal, we consider Dragonforce to be more of a background noise maker. (Yes, I own their CDs, but I don't spin them very often).
For those who don't follow power metal, they are considered to be "new" because power metal doesn't get much airplay on commercial radio.
As most of us who follow power metal on a regular basis, we know that there is more to power metal than just playing really really fast!
I never said that.Because they suck?
I didn't say that either. If Dragonforce gets more people interested in metal, fine. I just wish that some/most of those people would realize that there is more and better stuff to the genre than what Dragonforce is putting out there. I also don't necessarily equate a bands change in sound with "selling out." A band can change their sound and progress in their writing, or they can do it to appeal to a specific market. I believe I only mentioned the last two albums sounding the same, which would indicate that they are not really changing. I've never requested Dragonforce for ProgPower. The folks who listen and don't know any better are the young kids who think they know what metal is all about because they heard Dragonforce on Guitar Hero and thought they found a new genre of music (... a genre that has been around for decades), so they go out to Hot Topic and buy a Dragonforce CD because that's the cool thing to do. Like I said more power to Dragonforce for tapping into a market that's going to go out and buy your shit, but not bother to look for someone/some band who does what you do only better.Because some power metal fans are scenesters who see Dragonforce as a threat to the exclusivity of their favorite genre. See they used to love Dragonforce. But then, despite not changing their sound, they sold out and became big. Nowthey don't even admit to liking their past albums, nor wanting the band to play at ProgPower in the past. Now everything they have done apparently sucks to them. And anybody that listens to it doesn't know better. Apparently including themselves.
I realize neither you nor DoomsdayZach may have been intending to put words in my mouth, but since rms seemed to initially direct that question at me, I wanted him to be clear that those opinions are yours and I make no claim to them.
I have no problem with the bands I like getting commercial success (although I don't like to see them change from something I enjoy to something I feel is a lower quality to cater to the masses that will give them commercial success), but I don't think I'd ever even heard of Dragonforce before they gained commercial success.Very true. So many bitch and moan about "their" metal never getting the proper recognition. Dragonforce gains success and predictably they become garbage because, as we all know, metal can't involve any success whatsoever.
I think you making a gross generalization. As I said, I'd barely if ever even heard of Dragonforce before they became commercially successful. And as far as I can remember, (since PP5) I have never put them anywhere on my request list for the roster and I don't really recall a whole slew of people requesting Dragonsforce, except maybe a few with next to them as a joke. Maybe there were a few sincere requests for them before my time on the forum, but I don't recall seeing a whole lot of demand for them over the last 4-5 years. Could just be my memory...If we dug back for the past 5 or 6 years, DF were on almost EVERYONE's list for Prog Power "wishlist" bands....
And they are the reason I pretty much stopped listening to Dragonforce. Shortly after I had started listening to Dragonforce, Nick had discovered Cellador and turned me on to them. After hearing their first album (which IMHO does not sound like the same song over and over), I didn't really have any desire to go back to Inhuman Rampage (which IMHO does sound like the same song over again).Goddamnit, if you're going to listen to a band like this, Cellador. Better singer, better and memorable songs, they can play live... man, fuck dragonforce. Popularity has nothing to do with it. Only posers let popularity change their opinion on things.
Dragonforce - UK - Mario + NB + more talent = Cellador
No, I think that means you actually have a life. I've seen Guitar Hero played. I've attempted to play it (although my video game skills are null). I'll admit that some of the music they've selected for the game is pretty cool, but I could give a shit less about how well some kid can play a video game. As someone else on hear already stated, I'd rather watch, and would be more impressed, by someone who can actually play a *gasp* real guitar.This is the first time I actually saw Guitar Hero being played. Yes, I'm the biggest loser on this forum.