Nick Crow 8505 Lead - Guitar Amp VST plug-in
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Ermz
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Just a heads up, I adjusted my comparison to reflect what the 8505 would sound like with a real TS, compared to an actual 6505 head with the same TS. I adjusted until I got the sim as audibly similar to the actual head as I practically could. Same links, just updated:
http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/285689/marcus-6505.mp3
http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/285689/marcus-8505.mp3
http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/285689/marcus-6505.mp3
http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/285689/marcus-8505.mp3
AeternusEternus
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I can't help but feel like my TSS -> 8505 recordings sound cleaner than your hardware TS -> 8505. Not to go completely off-topic with it, but have you (or has anyone else) done enough tinkering with a "hardware TS vs software TS" experiment to determine which commonly gives you the results you may be looking for at any given time? I've experimented with both, but I've got no real consensus. I'm very tempted to say that a real TS9 actually muds up your tone a little bit, especially in the direct realm. I just can't remember if that's the conclusion I really came to..
Ermz
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I left a ground loop in there to boost the noise floor of the 8505 to match that of the real 6505. The one thing that always threw me was how 'clean' the modelers were due to a lower noise floor. Now it's a more even field.
As far as real TS vs TSS and the like, the real TS won out when I did some shoot-outs a while back. It's all down to how the TS and amp are dialed. The tone here could be said to be a bit overgained, but since the 6505 is no longer around my place I can't reamp it with lower gain settings.
As far as real TS vs TSS and the like, the real TS won out when I did some shoot-outs a while back. It's all down to how the TS and amp are dialed. The tone here could be said to be a bit overgained, but since the 6505 is no longer around my place I can't reamp it with lower gain settings.
Wild Hades
Clean channels are for pussies
The 6505 sounds more saturated and full, but really similar tone. Nice work.
Are the settings between the real amp and the sim really different?
No post-processing, right?
abyssofdreams
knows what you think.
+1, as with all ampsims, the fullness isn't reached yet but otherwise pretty close!
MT01
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Proof I'm not lying (aka settings used): http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/425433/8505.jpg
Jesus wept! Insane tone and playing!
notworthyThanks for the screens. Mind taking us through the chain to see how it all fits together?
Tuning?
Fifth_Horseman
Watch out, it's sharp!
Nick, I just tried it out, and THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!!!!
You are a genius... the fact that the oversampling can be switched off but will be switched on for bouncing is a life-saver for me, because as I recently mentioned in regard to the 7170, I can't even OPEN two instances of that one without my old Athlon XP CPU breaking the CPU meter barrier.
With 8505 it is a breeze, now I can have all TSS and 8505 instances running and play back the project without the crackling of death and my CPU instantly going into an epileptical breakdown.
To this day I was still using Wagner 0.6 because that was the only ampsim being easy on the CPU as long as I didn't start playback, so I could have several instances open for quadtracking (to listen to my changes I always had to bounce though).
Thank you, thank you, THANK YOU!
You are a genius... the fact that the oversampling can be switched off but will be switched on for bouncing is a life-saver for me, because as I recently mentioned in regard to the 7170, I can't even OPEN two instances of that one without my old Athlon XP CPU breaking the CPU meter barrier.
With 8505 it is a breeze, now I can have all TSS and 8505 instances running and play back the project without the crackling of death and my CPU instantly going into an epileptical breakdown.
To this day I was still using Wagner 0.6 because that was the only ampsim being easy on the CPU as long as I didn't start playback, so I could have several instances open for quadtracking (to listen to my changes I always had to bounce though).
Thank you, thank you, THANK YOU!
Russtopher
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Jesus wept! Insane tone and playing!
Thanks for the screens. Mind taking us through the chain to see how it all fits together?
Tuning?
+1
From your post, you're using the SoloC in front of the 8505 as a boost?
The way I read it you're going SoloC -> 8505 -> impulse, correct?
Nick... this sounds amazing. Thank you SO MUCH for all the work you put into everything for us.
Erik Monsonis
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cobhc
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I stole your chain Dandelium (forgive me for not knowing your real name) . And I came up with this, with no bass.
https://dl.getdropbox.com/u/371262/TestRiff8505.mp3
Upped another with more gain.
https://dl.getdropbox.com/u/371262/8505Test2.mp3
. And I came up with this, with no bass.https://dl.getdropbox.com/u/371262/TestRiff8505.mp3
Upped another with more gain.
https://dl.getdropbox.com/u/371262/8505Test2.mp3
The-Zeronaut
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I stole your chain Dandelium (forgive me for not knowing your real name)
https://dl.getdropbox.com/u/371262/TestRiff8505.mp3
Upped another with more gain.
https://dl.getdropbox.com/u/371262/8505Test2.mp3
holy sh*t!!
i fucking love the test2 with more gain
i have to try this ASAP >.<
jipchen
ForesterStudio
Unfortunately I can not make a Mac version because I do not have a Mac, and now I just can not buy it. Maybe later if I have money to do it.
jipchen
ForesterStudio
I have no illusions - I do not think that the amount of donations will be enough to buy Mac.i hope you'll get a lot donations
What about talking to the guys at apulSoft? They have ported some free Windows plugins to Mac VST and AU.
From what I've heard from the samples in this thread, this amp simulator really sounds awesome!
From what I've heard from the samples in this thread, this amp simulator really sounds awesome!
Ermz
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Similar in some respects but not so in others.
The main difference was that the gain on the sim was cranked to full in order to match the gain from the amp at around 4 to 6, or wherever I had it.
The mids were similar, around the 0.5 mark for both. The highs similar in the 7 mark. The lows were different with the real one being around 5 and the sim being more around 3.
No post-processing whatsoever on the samples, short of having a Sonnox Limiter on the master bus, taking off about 3 dB from the drums, adding dither but otherwise being transparent.
I agree that it's quite impressive in nature. I also wonder where that last 5 to 10% of quality disappears in amp sims. Is it a limitation of current hardware and not being able to implement adequate antialiasing? Regardless Nick's efforts really put into question the need to pay for software amp sims. It is really amazing that he does this for free. Thank you Nick!
devouredremains
Matt Van Daele
I'm interested to hear a shootout with an actual 6505 and the 8505 vst running through a poweramp/cab with the same mic position.
very cool plugin, works really nice with the tss plug in front of it.
thanx Nickcrow, keep up the great work.
thanx Nickcrow, keep up the great work.
