Non-gay bro thread a.k.a. Random offtopic stuff.

Does anyone remember when 2 years was the standard amount of time between album releases? In the 70s, sometimes less than a year? Those were good times. I saw a social media post by Beast in Black today saying they're HOPING their next album will be out in late 2025. That means it could realistically be pushed into 2026. For a band that isn't on hiatus, that's fucking disgraceful. Dark Connection came out in 2021 -- that is way, way too long to milk an album. Unfortunately it isn't just them. This seems to be a regular thing now, with bands being more merch company than band these days. I've seen bands that put out a new merch collection every month, but can't seem to keep the music flowing. I'm not supporting that shit anymore. If you're going to be in a band, fucking act like it.

Bands used to go into a studio, write and record an album in 10-14 days and we'd end up with a timeless classic. Now bands need two years in a high tech studio that does all the work for them and what do we get? Some piece of shit that is forgotten a month after release. Get it together, music scene.
 
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While part of me would love to defend bands by saying that touring (and merch is how a band makes the most money, recording and putting out an album more often really doesn’t disrupt that aside from having to learn some new songs.

Honestly, what you said here exactly describes how I feel about Mortal Kombat. Deadly Alliance, the behemoth known as Deception, and Armageddon, which has every main MK character people asked for except Tremor and like fucking Hornbuckle or some shit, all came out two years apart. MK9 came out in 2011 (Ngl, shit story), MKX came out in 2015, and while it had issues, it was actually surprisingly fine story and character-wise. MK11 was 2019 and is the Battles of Mortal Kombat. MK1 came out in 2023, and was almost great had WB not insisted on stupid fucking multiverse shit God knows how many years after Endgame. If you’re going to do time shit or multiverse shit, at the very least do it well.

I guess it wouldn’t be so horrible if they didn’t treat the characters like shit, remove all the wacky side modes like Chess Kombat, fucking Mario Kart, and anything not main story, arcade mode, and versus, not have anything that showed the team having fun (Cooking With Scorpion is the best thing ever), have stupid timeline and multiverse shit, introduce Greek mythology in a series entrenched in eastern culture, have grandstanding real world ethical bullshit about this and that in a game whose main gimmick revolves around who can most brutally murder a man, or be $130 for the full game and DLC before microtransactions.

I guess to loop it back to what you said, I miss when big devs and bands made their work out of passion and to make something beautiful. It’s genuinely incredible how I’m just a year, In Flames went from Colony to Clayman, which has the most amount of iconic songs that resonate with the old and new fans alike— Incredible riffs like Pinball Map and the title track, beautiful melodies like Satellites and Astronauts and Suburban Me, a kickass opener in Bullet Ride, and OFTW simply being OFTW. We can’t get anything now that isn’t overproduced to hell and back and isn’t roofed up with Benson autotune.

Meanwhile, Disarmonia Mundi fans have been waiting nine years for a new album, with four of those being spent on Ettore producing and mixing it, only for the production and mixing to ruin the actually really good music. Although it’s not metal, RARE by Hundredth still stings because it’s one of my favorite albums, and the one album and countless singles that have come out afterwards have all been this nu wave synth stuff that’s exactly like the vocalist’s side project— What is the point of keeping your bandmates around if what you’re going to make afterwards just doesn’t include them?

I could very easily be fine with the wait if what we’d end up getting afterwards lived up to what we loved before— Or hell, if there were lineup changes and/or a bunch of shit behind the scenes going on. That much is understandable. I won’t even fault In Flames for taking four years after ITM because if Clayman 2020 is what we got during the pandemic, then I don’t think I’d want their pandemic music. I’m moreso frustrated with them because Foregone is the In Flames album we got after ITM. If it was any other metalcore band, I’d probably find Foregone to be as fine as it is without being insulted, but again, everything I said about Clayman— And I’m pretty sure that album just barely makes or just barely doesn’t make my top 5. I want the melodies back, man.
 
Yeah I think it's pretty much because albums don't really make bands money. If they're still selling out shows then they don't feel an urgent need to release new music.

Honestly I wish In Flames hadn't bothered between 2011 and 2019. Nobody needed the shit they released in between and it's just made their live shows worse as shit new songs replace good older songs.
 
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It's true that album sales don't help but, as musicians, they should feel a creative urge. But nobody has that urge anymore. It's a shame. I don't see them as real musicians anymore. Just people making music for the money.

And, happy new year to everyone.
 
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Yeah, albums on their own don’t make much money but it’s still the driving force. Or at least you’d hope so. You need fans to invest in something that isn’t merch. I mean, I don’t go out and buy merch from a band I’ve never heard. Maybe things are just done differently now. In metal specifically though, the music has never made the money. It’s always been touring. Honestly it’s probably like that for any genre. Touring and selling merch on tour is always going to be where the majority of an artist’s money comes from.

But if new music isn’t being made, I’m not going to go support you on tour and just keep hearing the same shit over and over. I made that mistake with In Flames on the RTR cycle. After 3-4 shows, you’re actually bored at a metal show because the setlist is the same and you’re tired of hearing the same songs.

It already just feels like laziness. There are bands that still give a shit and put out new music consistently. But when I start seeing this 4-5 years between releases nonsense, it’s a little aggravating. In Beast in Black’s case, you couldn’t do a live album? An EP that wasn’t just the subpar single you released already months earlier with a few live tracks that is a JAPANESE EXCLUSIVE? Anything remotely substantial would be fine.

Then I see a band like Orbit Culture who don’t stop busting their asses. When they’re not touring, they’re writing and recording. They’re constantly releasing singles, EPs and albums. For me at least, there’s a serious disconnect between myself and these bands that are just coming across as sort of lazy and phoning it in, milking something they released years ago. It’s the fucking Skyrim of music — how many times do we need a re-release or a tour supporting the same tired shit? If you’re gonna wait this long between releases, it should be worth the wait. Most of the time, sadly, it isn’t.

Also, Happy New Year from one grumpy asshole to what I assume is a gaggle of also grumpy assholes.
 
But if new music isn’t being made, I’m not going to go support you on tour and just keep hearing the same shit over and over. I made that mistake with In Flames on the RTR cycle. After 3-4 shows, you’re actually bored at a metal show because the setlist is the same and you’re tired of hearing the same songs.

It already just feels like laziness. There are bands that still give a shit and put out new music consistently. But when I start seeing this 4-5 years between releases nonsense, it’s a little aggravating. In Beast in Black’s case, you couldn’t do a live album? An EP that wasn’t just the subpar single you released already months earlier with a few live tracks that is a JAPANESE EXCLUSIVE? Anything remotely substantial would be fine.

You just reminded me of In This Moment, the band who I think might have possibly the worst fall off I’ve ever heard from one. Mother and Godmode are two albums with some of the least substance I’ve ever heard, and they make me appreciate SC, Battles, and Foregone because at least those could be enjoyable. They constantly tour, and with three years between each recent album where the music made is just so fucking basic, it genuinely feels like it’s made simply to give a reason for people to watch them perform live (Not because the music’s good, that’d take effort, but because there simply is new music) and to change the aesthetic. Next Life is one of the most insane songs I’ve ever heard in the best way I could mean it— Great riffing, harmonized guitars, raw production, and some of the best screams I’ve ever heard. It’s a goddamn shame they went from that to their cover of We Will Rock You or The Purge. Even on something like Blood, there was still Whore, but Black Widow is where they were really gone.

Then I see a band like Orbit Culture who don’t stop busting their asses. When they’re not touring, they’re writing and recording. They’re constantly releasing singles, EPs and albums. For me at least, there’s a serious disconnect between myself and these bands that are just coming across as sort of lazy and phoning it in, milking something they released years ago. It’s the fucking Skyrim of music — how many times do we need a re-release or a tour supporting the same tired shit? If you’re gonna wait this long between releases, it should be worth the wait. Most of the time, sadly, it isn’t.

God, this is insanely true for legacy bands.

Also, Happy New Year from one grumpy asshole to what I assume is a gaggle of also grumpy assholes.

Yep, but surely things might get better soon. Hopefully.
 
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