Non-gay bro thread a.k.a. Random offtopic stuff.

The Grayfox said:
For me, it's really about the beauty in it's simplicity. Killswitch Engage's early albums aren't technical. They're not show-offy. They're just simple, raw and visceral and that's why I like them. This single reminds me of those early albums. Early 2000's metalcore is so much different to what it became later on. At least, the spirit of it. It was hardcore/punk kids who could play their instruments a bit better than your average punk rocker. Early Killswitch, Converge, Earth Crisis, Shadows Fall, even the first two Avenged Sevenfold records, that's good shit.
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I can absolutely agree with that sentiment. I won’t go into my hatred of modern metalcore again since I just woke up and need to go to work soon, but that sort of ‘second-wave metalcore’/‘melodic metalcore’ is leagues better than the new shit we’re getting slop fed.
 
On the bright side, after nine years, we’re finally getting new music from Disarmonia Mundi. I’m not as huge on the second teaser they showed, but they put out their new single, Oathbreaker, yesterday. In contrast to modern core shlock, there are actual guitar melodies here, so god bless for that.

The production, which took around four years of the wait out of the nine, turned out worse than fucking Death Magnetic’s production to me, but hey, you can’t win them all.

 
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These are both modern core, but as someone who found this band right when they first came out, I’ll never understand how they went from the sound on their first EP to the stale, safe sound of the singles off their new album. Modern core already started to have such a generic sound for years now, but with albums like ERRA and Eternal Blue blowing up, that just became what any sort of newer core band sought, and I hate it. It’s just night and day in terms of quality and creativity.



 
Xpyro125 said:
On the bright side, after nine years, we’re finally getting new music from Disarmonia Mundi. I’m not as huge on the second teaser they showed, but they put out their new single, Oathbreaker, yesterday. In contrast to modern core shlock, there are actual guitar melodies here, so god bless for that.

The production, which took around four years of the wait out of the nine, turned out worse than fucking Death Magnetic’s production to me, but hey, you can’t win them all.

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Oh man, yeah, what a shame about the production. The song itself is very nice MDM, but the production kinda kills it dead, especially at the chorus :erk: the cleans are totally smudged into the guitar melodies in a pretty amateur and unpleasant way.
 
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The production on that Disarmonia Mundi song makes me lightheaded. First song in my life I literally can't listen to. Shame because the music itself seems to be alright.

I like Jaded and The Void from Spiritbox, but overall they don't do it for me.
 
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ThePhobiac said:
The production on that Disarmonia Mundi song makes me lightheaded. First song in my life I literally can't listen to. Shame because the music itself seems to be alright.

I like Jaded and The Void from Spiritbox, but overall they don't do it for me.
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Jaded is pretty good, I’ll give you that. Absolutely deserved its Grammy nomination.

The Void not so much for me. I just find it boring. Ultraviolet’s had my love since day one though, and Cellar Door is actually surprisingly good for a heavy, downtuned modern core song.
 
I guess I should clarify my stance on Spiritbox— So far I’ve liked their EPs and the Rotoscope single, but Eternal Blue and Tsunami Sea (so far) are just so fucking boring to me, and the former was the one that really blew up. I know TFOF got a Grammy nomination with Jaded, but the difference there is that that was actually good in my opinion.

And yeah, I have to turn the volume down two notches for Oathbreaker. Really sucks because I fucking love the song otherwise.
 
DE4life said:
Early metalcore definitely had something cool about it. The genre became very sterilized as time went on, I think simply because there isn't that far you can go with the general musical structure, but those early albums are the best representation of what the genre is meant to be, and why it gained popularity. A lot of those bands took influence from the Gothenberg scene and fused it with heavier elements in a way that was unique at the time. Obviously it became derivitive when a host of clones appeared on the scene, but it started strong and was the starting point for a lot of people in the same way Metallica, Maiden and Megadeth were for kids of the 70's and 80's.
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Ugh, this reminded me of when I went to visit a friend of mine in Southern California when he was away at school. He was in Santa Barbara which is a big college town, famous for it's parties. Anyway, the first day I was there visiting, I met my friend's neighbor and he noticed the IF hoodie I was wearing. We made small talk about music for a minute and then he asked me "what other metalcore bands" I liked. I was a bit confused because we were talking about IF. He sensed my confusion and said "you know, IF, At The Gates, metalcore." I was kind of flabbergasted and explained that they weren't metalcore and he refused to back down on it. So, for some people apparently melodeath bands aren't influences -- they're full on metalcore bands. The whole exchange still makes me chuckle.
 
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I can’t tell if he was being serious or if he was next level fucking with you, but that sounds beautiful either way— In the sense that it wasn’t happening to me, anyways. I’d have to walk away from the conversation at that point.
 
DE4life said:
I mean, it'd be a reasonable comment if someone had only heard STYE and/or CC tbf :rofl:
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This would've been 2003, so far less reasonable :D


Xpyro125 said:
I can’t tell if he was being serious or if he was next level fucking with you, but that sounds beautiful either way— In the sense that it wasn’t happening to me, anyways. I’d have to walk away from the conversation at that point.
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He was quite serious about it. I really don't even remember how the conversation ended at this point since it was so long ago. In fact, I had forgotten about it almost completely until DE mentioned how In Flames was a really big influence on early metalcore bands. And I'm pretty sure that's where this stems from. Dude probably heard Reroute to Remain and thought IF was some new metalcore band. As for ATG... I don't have an answer for that one.
 
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The Grayfox said:
This would've been 2003, so far less reasonable :D
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Lol yeah, that's far more stupid then. I guess he just didn't have a good comprehension of genres. There's very little in pre-2004 IF that embodies metalcore. Early metalcore bands took some of the melodic stylings of those MDM bands (most of them have admitted that MDM was a big influence) but the actual metalcore aspect has nothing to do with what the likes of IF, DT, Soilwork, ATG, Arch Enemy etc were doing prior to those bands existing. You'd be more accurate to call some of those early albums metalcore with MDM influence, as there's a lot of metalcore which has little to nothing to do with the early days of MDM. Even Reroute doesn't sound like a metalcore album.

It's kind of funny, though, how that situation reversed itself and MDM bands then started bringing in metalcore influences when that became popular.
 
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To be honest I couldn't tell you what makes a song or a band metalcore. I usually assume that, if the singer sounds Californian, it's metalcore. Never steers me wrong.
 
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I'm staying in México for a couple of months, and today I was out walking and saw a guy in a Dark Tranquillity t-shirt. I happened to be wearing the Come Clarity alt artwork t-shirt I posted a while back, so I said to him "Oye, chida playera!" (cool shirt!) and pointed to mine, he broke out in a massive grin and said "No mames!" (no fucking way). Not much more to the story than that, but it was a nice moment bonding over Gothenburg melodic death metal under the tropical sunshine.
 
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Damn, those vocals really take me back to that mid-2000s MDM era where younger bands were fusing the metalcore sound together with the traditional Gothenburg sound. Nice track though.
 
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