Non-gay bro thread a.k.a. Random offtopic stuff.

This is probably one of the few places where you can discuss In Flames and melodic death metal in ridiculously nerdy detail. On the other hand the politics talk is literally everywhere, every subreddit, every news site, every other forum you can think of.

There's only 10 people here in total, it would be pretty dumb to get in arguments over Trump, and rest assured that's exactly what's going to happen.
My take on that is that it isn’t really getting in the way of discussing the band— It’s on the off-topic section, and we could always talk more about the band, THE, Cyhra, etc. in other parts of the forum. THE is, unfortunately, the only one with anything to talk about right now, so there is that.

Even then, even with potential disagreements, I think all of us are more than willing to keep things civil. I also appreciate hearing about it here because I’m able to get the perspective of non-Americans and learn about European politics, which certainly are not in the state I thought they were in. I’ve discussed this in one more “liberal” (By American standards, anyways) server and in one more conservative server. It was difficult in both places, and this was easily the calmest, most level-headed discussion I’ve gotten to have save for with my girlfriend and with one of my Canadian friends.

The way I see it, we’re in for a fucked four years, but we have to take it day by day instead of getting worried sick about the what ifs. It’s easy to think about everything that can go wrong, but after everything settles here, I know we’ll go back to happier discussions— Like bashing Benson and asking how he’ll massacre the band’s next album. All jokes aside, we’ll return to a relative normalcy soon enough, and if anything horrible is to happen at some point, we’ll cross that bridge if we get there.

I would’ve quoted a few other messages, but I just woke up, so I forgot to fetch them and don’t feel like it.
 
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Yeah, pretty much. There will be some posts today and maybe every so often about Trump and the chaos he brings, but otherwise it'll be BAU because - as far as I'm aware - none of us are political zealots. Most of us just come here to chat shit casually, whether that be about IF, THE, Cyhra, football, anime, wrestling or whatever else. Trump and politics in general just falls under that casual umbrella.
 
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Yeah, pretty much. There will be some posts today and maybe every so often about Trump and the chaos he brings, but otherwise it'll be BAU because - as far as I'm aware - none of us are political zealots. Most of us just come here to chat shit casually, whether that be about IF, THE, Cyhra, football, anime, wrestling or whatever else. Trump and politics in general just falls under that casual umbrella.
Can’t say I’m a political zealot, I’ve dealt with and come to hate too many of them on both sides (In American politics) to the point where I want to cave people’s skulls in. I’m live and let live, I want my people to have as many rights and freedoms as they reasonably should and for us to be able to be in a sustainable economy, and that’s it. My job pays minimum wage and I’m trying to help provide for a family, so it is anything but sustainable for me. Cheers.
 
It’s also the off topic thread, so I thought anything goes. In a few days it will die down and we’ll go back to hating In Flames which is what you do on an In Flames forum.

I think the other problem Harris had (if we assume her being a black woman was not a problem for US voters) was that she was too closely tied to the current Democrat administration, which has been polling with record low approval ratings. Probably the Dems needed someone quite detached from the current administration, rather than the Vice President. I like Kamala but I don't think she had the latitude to really establish who she is and why things would be different under her.

What the polls show is that ultimately many Dem voters from 2020 simply did not vote this time. There wasn't some huge switch to Trump - he's actually going to score less overall votes than in the last election - it's simply that prior Democrat voters did not turn out for Harris. I can only take this as those voters being disenchanted with the current administration and feeling Harris is too close to that administration to vote for her - but also not being comfortable voting for Trump.

Overall voter turnaround in the 2020 election (according to wiki) was 155, 507, 476. With a handful of results left to come in, this year (according to the BBC) it's 137, 128, 248. That'll go up a little more but the drop is still noticeable, and the missing voters are largely on the Democrat side.

Yeah, that’s pretty much it. The Trumpers loved to scream “she has no policies!” The fact is, she did. You can still go read about them on her website. She has policies that I largely agree with in fact. But she never talked about them outside of a few key points. We live in a country where people can’t focus on anything outside of their individual bubble. They don’t care about what you’re going to do long term. They want their grocery bill to be cheaper and they want home loan interest to go down immediately. Trump promised all those things — things he probably won’t deliver. But that’s ok because at least he said it, right? And when he inevitably doesn’t do those things, the people that voted for him will make excuses just like they did last time. For instance, when he didn’t build the wall that his entire campaign was run on. The first thing his followers said was “well that’s because the libs wouldn’t let him.” No, that isn’t how it works. When you promise to do something, you’re taking that part out of the equation. Trump didn’t say “I’m going to TRY to get your wall built.” He said he was GOING to get it built. Big difference. But lying in politics… standard procedure.

But also Trump won because he hates the same people that the people who voted for him hate. And much like in 2016, he looks absolutely terrified that he won. His publicity stunt went too far. Again. People in this country are extremely scared right now. The amount of people I’ve seen say they’re going to buy a gun, they don’t feel safe in their homes, they’re worried armed militias are going to put them in camps — not even 24 hours after the fact. How things are going to go for the next 4 years? It’s going to be devastating on people’s mental health.
 
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People in this country are extremely scared right now. The amount of people I’ve seen say they’re going to buy a gun, they don’t feel safe in their homes, they’re worried armed militias are going to put them in camps — not even 24 hours after the fact. How things are going to go for the next 4 years? It’s going to be devastating on people’s mental health.
That's so fucked up. When people doesn't feel safe anymore in their own country, when trust in the neighbours is failling... Things are terrible. Because, in the end, despite our different politic views, we are meant to be social animals and to defend each others. Now, in lots of countries, even here in Europe, we are seeing each others as enemies. And, unless things change, nothing good can come of this.
 
In the West we've been trained for a long time to hate each other, rather than taking aim at those who are really responsible for global issues. Hate the immigrants, hate the people on benefits, hate trans people, hate black people, hate white people, hate gay people...

Those billionaires at the top of the pile running roughshod over everyone beneath them, though? They're cool. Don't pay any attention to them.

Genuinely difficult for me to understand why people can't see this. It's such a pathetically transparent tactic. Or maybe people do know but just don't care, because it's easier to hate than it is to make a difference.
 
Just say that something is woke to raise the hate of the masses.

They're feeding the bigotry to keep their authoritarian agenda. And everyone is buying it.

That's why I hate politics. That's why I hate religion. That's why I came to the conviction that we, europeans, westerners, have always been the bad guys.
 
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Yeah, that’s pretty much it. The Trumpers loved to scream “she has no policies!” The fact is, she did. You can still go read about them on her website. She has policies that I largely agree with in fact. But she never talked about them outside of a few key points. We live in a country where people can’t focus on anything outside of their individual bubble. They don’t care about what you’re going to do long term. They want their grocery bill to be cheaper and they want home loan interest to go down immediately. Trump promised all those things — things he probably won’t deliver. But that’s ok because at least he said it, right? And when he inevitably doesn’t do those things, the people that voted for him will make excuses just like they did last time. For instance, when he didn’t build the wall that his entire campaign was run on. The first thing his followers said was “well that’s because the libs wouldn’t let him.” No, that isn’t how it works. When you promise to do something, you’re taking that part out of the equation. Trump didn’t say “I’m going to TRY to get your wall built.” He said he was GOING to get it built. Big difference. But lying in politics… standard procedure.

The one piece of credit I’ll give him is that the economy, at least down here where I lived, was in a really good state during his term. I know it wasn’t great in states like California, but it was absolutely worse during COVID.

That being said, in a post-COVID world— Even with it being post-COVID, companies won’t want to return to the old, lesser profit margins. Trump simply isn’t going to recreate that better economy that the “middle class” (poor, but not nearly in poverty) has prioritized over all else. A lot has changed since his term in 2016, and there is simply no going back. Hatred and other policies aside, which I refuse to give him or his supporters the benefit of the doubt on, I can at least say that every week, every day, has been a fucking struggle in this economy, and even getting a little sick will put me into debt if I get that unlucky. It wasn’t like that previously, and I’ll give him then that credit— Him then, but not him now, not that it excuses everything else.

But also Trump won because he hates the same people that the people who voted for him hate. And much like in 2016, he looks absolutely terrified that he won. His publicity stunt went too far. Again. People in this country are extremely scared right now. The amount of people I’ve seen say they’re going to buy a gun, they don’t feel safe in their homes, they’re worried armed militias are going to put them in camps — not even 24 hours after the fact. How things are going to go for the next 4 years? It’s going to be devastating on people’s mental health.

It doesn’t feel like a publicity stunt this time— I really do feel like he’s in too deep and has fully bought in to what he was selling after his supporters became a fucking cult. That’s the truth of it, they are genuinely a cult. There’s a whole country music anthem about how he’s the chosen one. I myself am Catholic and very pro-religion (Not pro-intolerance), and I find this behavior very alarming. If Trump is synonymous and/or on the same level in conversation as God, that is deeply disturbing.

And as someone with many LGBT friends and family and friends who are immigrants, they’re all terrified. While I don’t think Trump’s election is a problem for the LGBT, the Senate, SC, governor, and House elections are. None of it directly affects me, but it doesn’t need to— That’s empathy and compassion, that’s what my faith was supposedly built on, and that’s something all these “Christians” have completely forgotten. Personally speaking, if Trump wants to use military force on whoever the enemy may possibly be, then even I will be buying a gun myself. None of us should go quietly, and I will not.