Non-gay bro thread a.k.a. Random offtopic stuff.

[Xpyro125]

This is probably one of the few places where you can discuss In Flames and melodic death metal in ridiculously nerdy detail. On the other hand the politics talk is literally everywhere, every subreddit, every news site, every other forum you can think of.

There's only 10 people here in total, it would be pretty dumb to get in arguments over Trump, and rest assured that's exactly what's going to happen.

My take on that is that it isn’t really getting in the way of discussing the band— It’s on the off-topic section, and we could always talk more about the band, THE, Cyhra, etc. in other parts of the forum. THE is, unfortunately, the only one with anything to talk about right now, so there is that.

Even then, even with potential disagreements, I think all of us are more than willing to keep things civil. I also appreciate hearing about it here because I’m able to get the perspective of non-Americans and learn about European politics, which certainly are not in the state I thought they were in. I’ve discussed this in one more “liberal” (By American standards, anyways) server and in one more conservative server. It was difficult in both places, and this was easily the calmest, most level-headed discussion I’ve gotten to have save for with my girlfriend and with one of my Canadian friends.

The way I see it, we’re in for a fucked four years, but we have to take it day by day instead of getting worried sick about the what ifs. It’s easy to think about everything that can go wrong, but after everything settles here, I know we’ll go back to happier discussions— Like bashing Benson and asking how he’ll massacre the band’s next album. All jokes aside, we’ll return to a relative normalcy soon enough, and if anything horrible is to happen at some point, we’ll cross that bridge if we get there.

I would’ve quoted a few other messages, but I just woke up, so I forgot to fetch them and don’t feel like it.

 

[DE4life]

Yeah, pretty much. There will be some posts today and maybe every so often about Trump and the chaos he brings, but otherwise it'll be BAU because - as far as I'm aware - none of us are political zealots. Most of us just come here to chat shit casually, whether that be about IF, THE, Cyhra, football, anime, wrestling or whatever else. Trump and politics in general just falls under that casual umbrella.

 

[Xpyro125]

Yeah, pretty much. There will be some posts today and maybe every so often about Trump and the chaos he brings, but otherwise it'll be BAU because - as far as I'm aware - none of us are political zealots. Most of us just come here to chat shit casually, whether that be about IF, THE, Cyhra, football, anime, wrestling or whatever else. Trump and politics in general just falls under that casual umbrella.

Can’t say I’m a political zealot, I’ve dealt with and come to hate too many of them on both sides (In American politics) to the point where I want to cave people’s skulls in. I’m live and let live, I want my people to have as many rights and freedoms as they reasonably should and for us to be able to be in a sustainable economy, and that’s it. My job pays minimum wage and I’m trying to help provide for a family, so it is anything but sustainable for me. Cheers.

 

[eochaid]

I'm just a zealot when it comes to Tolkien. Just don't mention anything related to Tolkien unless you want to aee this forum burn.

 

[The Grayfox]

It’s also the off topic thread, so I thought anything goes. In a few days it will die down and we’ll go back to hating In Flames which is what you do on an In Flames forum.

I think the other problem Harris had (if we assume her being a black woman was not a problem for US voters) was that she was too closely tied to the current Democrat administration, which has been polling with record low approval ratings. Probably the Dems needed someone quite detached from the current administration, rather than the Vice President. I like Kamala but I don't think she had the latitude to really establish who she is and why things would be different under her.

What the polls show is that ultimately many Dem voters from 2020 simply did not vote this time. There wasn't some huge switch to Trump - he's actually going to score less overall votes than in the last election - it's simply that prior Democrat voters did not turn out for Harris. I can only take this as those voters being disenchanted with the current administration and feeling Harris is too close to that administration to vote for her - but also not being comfortable voting for Trump.

Overall voter turnaround in the 2020 election (according to wiki) was 155, 507, 476. With a handful of results left to come in, this year (according to the BBC) it's 137, 128, 248. That'll go up a little more but the drop is still noticeable, and the missing voters are largely on the Democrat side.

Yeah, that’s pretty much it. The Trumpers loved to scream “she has no policies!” The fact is, she did. You can still go read about them on her website. She has policies that I largely agree with in fact. But she never talked about them outside of a few key points. We live in a country where people can’t focus on anything outside of their individual bubble. They don’t care about what you’re going to do long term. They want their grocery bill to be cheaper and they want home loan interest to go down immediately. Trump promised all those things — things he probably won’t deliver. But that’s ok because at least he said it, right? And when he inevitably doesn’t do those things, the people that voted for him will make excuses just like they did last time. For instance, when he didn’t build the wall that his entire campaign was run on. The first thing his followers said was “well that’s because the libs wouldn’t let him.” No, that isn’t how it works. When you promise to do something, you’re taking that part out of the equation. Trump didn’t say “I’m going to TRY to get your wall built.” He said he was GOING to get it built. Big difference. But lying in politics… standard procedure.

But also Trump won because he hates the same people that the people who voted for him hate. And much like in 2016, he looks absolutely terrified that he won. His publicity stunt went too far. Again. People in this country are extremely scared right now. The amount of people I’ve seen say they’re going to buy a gun, they don’t feel safe in their homes, they’re worried armed militias are going to put them in camps — not even 24 hours after the fact. How things are going to go for the next 4 years? It’s going to be devastating on people’s mental health.

 

[eochaid]

People in this country are extremely scared right now. The amount of people I’ve seen say they’re going to buy a gun, they don’t feel safe in their homes, they’re worried armed militias are going to put them in camps — not even 24 hours after the fact. How things are going to go for the next 4 years? It’s going to be devastating on people’s mental health.

That's so fucked up. When people doesn't feel safe anymore in their own country, when trust in the neighbours is failling... Things are terrible. Because, in the end, despite our different politic views, we are meant to be social animals and to defend each others. Now, in lots of countries, even here in Europe, we are seeing each others as enemies. And, unless things change, nothing good can come of this.

 

[DE4life]

In the West we've been trained for a long time to hate each other, rather than taking aim at those who are really responsible for global issues. Hate the immigrants, hate the people on benefits, hate trans people, hate black people, hate white people, hate gay people...

Those billionaires at the top of the pile running roughshod over everyone beneath them, though? They're cool. Don't pay any attention to them.

Genuinely difficult for me to understand why people can't see this. It's such a pathetically transparent tactic. Or maybe people do know but just don't care, because it's easier to hate than it is to make a difference.

 

[eochaid]

Just say that something is woke to raise the hate of the masses.

They're feeding the bigotry to keep their authoritarian agenda. And everyone is buying it.

That's why I hate politics. That's why I hate religion. That's why I came to the conviction that we, europeans, westerners, have always been the bad guys.

 

[Xpyro125]

Yeah, that’s pretty much it. The Trumpers loved to scream “she has no policies!” The fact is, she did. You can still go read about them on her website. She has policies that I largely agree with in fact. But she never talked about them outside of a few key points. We live in a country where people can’t focus on anything outside of their individual bubble. They don’t care about what you’re going to do long term. They want their grocery bill to be cheaper and they want home loan interest to go down immediately. Trump promised all those things — things he probably won’t deliver. But that’s ok because at least he said it, right? And when he inevitably doesn’t do those things, the people that voted for him will make excuses just like they did last time. For instance, when he didn’t build the wall that his entire campaign was run on. The first thing his followers said was “well that’s because the libs wouldn’t let him.” No, that isn’t how it works. When you promise to do something, you’re taking that part out of the equation. Trump didn’t say “I’m going to TRY to get your wall built.” He said he was GOING to get it built. Big difference. But lying in politics… standard procedure.

The one piece of credit I’ll give him is that the economy, at least down here where I lived, was in a really good state during his term. I know it wasn’t great in states like California, but it was absolutely worse during COVID.

That being said, in a post-COVID world— Even with it being post-COVID, companies won’t want to return to the old, lesser profit margins. Trump simply isn’t going to recreate that better economy that the “middle class” (poor, but not nearly in poverty) has prioritized over all else. A lot has changed since his term in 2016, and there is simply no going back. Hatred and other policies aside, which I refuse to give him or his supporters the benefit of the doubt on, I can at least say that every week, every day, has been a fucking struggle in this economy, and even getting a little sick will put me into debt if I get that unlucky. It wasn’t like that previously, and I’ll give him then that credit— Him then, but not him now, not that it excuses everything else.

But also Trump won because he hates the same people that the people who voted for him hate. And much like in 2016, he looks absolutely terrified that he won. His publicity stunt went too far. Again. People in this country are extremely scared right now. The amount of people I’ve seen say they’re going to buy a gun, they don’t feel safe in their homes, they’re worried armed militias are going to put them in camps — not even 24 hours after the fact. How things are going to go for the next 4 years? It’s going to be devastating on people’s mental health.

It doesn’t feel like a publicity stunt this time— I really do feel like he’s in too deep and has fully bought in to what he was selling after his supporters became a fucking cult. That’s the truth of it, they are genuinely a cult. There’s a whole country music anthem about how he’s the chosen one. I myself am Catholic and very pro-religion (Not pro-intolerance), and I find this behavior very alarming. If Trump is synonymous and/or on the same level in conversation as God, that is deeply disturbing.

And as someone with many LGBT friends and family and friends who are immigrants, they’re all terrified. While I don’t think Trump’s election is a problem for the LGBT, the Senate, SC, governor, and House elections are. None of it directly affects me, but it doesn’t need to— That’s empathy and compassion, that’s what my faith was supposedly built on, and that’s something all these “Christians” have completely forgotten. Personally speaking, if Trump wants to use military force on whoever the enemy may possibly be, then even I will be buying a gun myself. None of us should go quietly, and I will not.

 

[eochaid]

They should just stop using Jesus as a justification for their bigotry.

 

[Xpyro125]

100% agreed there. They won’t, they’ve become completely devoid of kindness and tolerance, and it’s a disgrace to our faith, at least in my opinion. If the entire point and literal definition of Christianity is to be Christ-like, then maybe we should remember that we’re called to be compassionate towards others— Even people who we believe are ‘the enemy’. For a religion that espouses God being the only one who should judge people, Christian Americans judge far too much. I don’t mean to go on some big religious spiel or to try to put that onto you guys, which is why I generally don’t talk about my faith unprompted. I think everyone should get to be whatever the fuck they’d like or are when it comes to every demographic, and it isn’t for me to judge. We’re all In Flames fans, and we’re all good to each other, and even if we disagree on which albums we like and dislike, we’re still civil. You guys are really cool, and I’m happy to be a part of this forum even if I got in late. That’s all I give a shit about at the end of all of it.

 

[The Grayfox]

The one piece of credit I’ll give him is that the economy, at least down here where I lived, was in a really good state during his term. I know it wasn’t great in states like California, but it was absolutely worse during COVID.

That being said, in a post-COVID world— Even with it being post-COVID, companies won’t want to return to the old, lesser profit margins. Trump simply isn’t going to recreate that better economy that the “middle class” (poor, but not nearly in poverty) has prioritized over all else. A lot has changed since his term in 2016, and there is simply no going back. Hatred and other policies aside, which I refuse to give him or his supporters the benefit of the doubt on, I can at least say that every week, every day, has been a fucking struggle in this economy, and even getting a little sick will put me into debt if I get that unlucky. It wasn’t like that previously, and I’ll give him then that credit— Him then, but not him now, not that it excuses everything else.

I don't doubt that the economy will get better. But the means in which he makes that happen is my concern. Inflation is a worldwide problem. It feels like a lot of people don't understand how it works. Once a price is inflated, that's it. That is the new price, unless it is forced to come down. And the only way it is really forced to come down is if we're in a recession. Recession is a much, much bigger problem. We saw how that went not too long ago. I really hope Trump and his team know what the fuck they're doing because if they don't -- and I assume they don't -- a lot of people are going to suffer in many different ways. I'm not doomsdaying as hard as some are -- I don't think he's going to put RFK in charge of the FDA and I don't think he's going to give Musk a position of power, but he can do a lot of irreversible damage in ways that affect our entire planet by just doing nothing. And the cosmos help us all if he tries to pull us out of NATO.

It doesn’t feel like a publicity stunt this time— I really do feel like he’s in too deep and has fully bought in to what he was selling after his supporters became a fucking cult. That’s the truth of it, they are genuinely a cult. There’s a whole country music anthem about how he’s the chosen one. I myself am Catholic and very pro-religion (Not pro-intolerance), and I find this behavior very alarming. If Trump is synonymous and/or on the same level in conversation as God, that is deeply disturbing.

And as someone with many LGBT friends and family and friends who are immigrants, they’re all terrified. While I don’t think Trump’s election is a problem for the LGBT, the Senate, SC, governor, and House elections are. None of it directly affects me, but it doesn’t need to— That’s empathy and compassion, that’s what my faith was supposedly built on, and that’s something all these “Christians” have completely forgotten. Personally speaking, if Trump wants to use military force on whoever the enemy may possibly be, then even I will be buying a gun myself. None of us should go quietly, and I will not.

As somebody who is very anti-religion, I can appreciate your view. My own problems with religion are mine and I don't ever expect anyone to share those views. Although I am of the belief that religion is the cause for a lot of the world's problems, I also understand the good sides to it and the comfort it brings to people. I just don't ever want it forced on me or anyone else. I am very much a 'live and let live' type of person. My best friend -- a man I've been friends with since I was 12 years old is gay. We live in one of the bluest parts of the entire country and yet I've still seen the bigotry. I've seen the hesitance. I've seen the disgust, the embarrassment. I can't even imagine what it is like for LGBTQ+ people in the bible belt. The terror, especially right now, must be intense.

And while this doesn't necessarily seem like a publicity stunt, I can't imagine the citizens of this country (a lot of whom are already armed) standing by and letting it's citizens be put into camps and executed for supporting Kamala Harris. You're talking about the complete collapse of the United States if that happens. People here just won't put up with that shit. Do I think there will be mass deportations? Unfortunately, yes. Do I think racism, sexism, and misogyny are about to become not just more overt, but downright accepted (more than it already is)? You bet your ass. It's going to be hard. But I don't think they're going to be rounding up gay people and putting them in gas chambers or anything that extreme. And if I'm wrong on that, I'll certainly admit it when the time comes. I'm just choosing to believe the situation isn't that dire. It feels more like Idiocracy than anything. At least to me.

They should just stop using Jesus as a justification for their bigotry.

Much like Kamala Harris flipping Florida or Texas, this is a pipe dream unfortunately. It certainly would be nice though.

That's so fucked up. When people doesn't feel safe anymore in their own country, when trust in the neighbours is failling... Things are terrible. Because, in the end, despite our different politic views, we are meant to be social animals and to defend each others. Now, in lots of countries, even here in Europe, we are seeing each others as enemies. And, unless things change, nothing good can come of this.

Yeah, it's very unfortunate. The division just keeps getting stronger. There is nothing pulling us closer together, but there are bigger and bigger wedges being placed between us. It's really a tale as old as time. It's why we have war. It's why the intolerance grows and grows until it comes to a head. We need a lot of change. A lot of it.

 

[Xpyro125]

I don't doubt that the economy will get better. But the means in which he makes that happen is my concern. Inflation is a worldwide problem. It feels like a lot of people don't understand how it works. Once a price is inflated, that's it. That is the new price, unless it is forced to come down. And the only way it is really forced to come down is if we're in a recession. Recession is a much, much bigger problem. We saw how that went not too long ago. I really hope Trump and his team know what the fuck they're doing because if they don't -- and I assume they don't -- a lot of people are going to suffer in many different ways. I'm not doomsdaying as hard as some are -- I don't think he's going to put RFK in charge of the FDA and I don't think he's going to give Musk a position of power, but he can do a lot of irreversible damage in ways that affect our entire planet by just doing nothing. And the cosmos help us all if he tries to pull us out of NATO.

I really want to believe that the economy will get better, but honestly, I’m just not sure of that because of the reasons you’ve said. I’ve worked in retail for around two and a half years, and I’ve looked at and asked about so many price tags, paperwork, and companies we get all of our product and ingredients from, and it would take a lot of economic intervention and regulation— Something Republicans typically aren’t for given their Laissez-Faire bullshit— to fix that. Fact is that our economy is in a completely different kind of state than it was in 2016, and people expecting Trump to repeat what he did then clearly have no idea how the economy works.

As somebody who is very anti-religion, I can appreciate your view. My own problems with religion are mine and I don't ever expect anyone to share those views. Although I am of the belief that religion is the cause for a lot of the world's problems, I also understand the good sides to it and the comfort it brings to people. I just don't ever want it forced on me or anyone else.

I can only imagine, and I feel for you no matter what issues you have with it. I will add that I’ve had my issues with organized religion and churches— The church I went to since my childhood pushed such a “the young people are lazy and entitled, and all you old people worked so hard for everything” agenda that I had to leave it. Yeah, there are many millennials and Gen Z people who are like that, but I can’t stand the generalizations, especially when I woke up at six in the morning every Sunday (And on holidays) for five years to be an usher at the 8 AM masses. That, and my father’s old church saw the pastor completely divide and separate the Anglo and Spanish communities when they were previously one. It’s shit like that which is completely antithetical to the parish and to Christian teachings, at least just from my experiences. I’m not a practicing Catholic anymore, but I don’t think that has to damage my faith in and relationship with God. For me, it’s the intolerance that certain religious people have that damages the reputation of the faith as a whole, rather than religion itself, and it’s frustrating to see— Particularly in today’s culture, where shame and hatred drives people away instead of “fixing” them. I can’t help but agree with people walking away from others who deride them.

I am very much a 'live and let live' type of person. My best friend -- a man I've been friends with since I was 12 years old is gay. We live in one of the bluest parts of the entire country and yet I've still seen the bigotry. I've seen the hesitance. I've seen the disgust, the embarrassment. I can't even imagine what it is like for LGBTQ+ people in the bible belt. The terror, especially right now, must be intense.

One of my best friends who I’ve known since I was nine is gay and a legal immigrant. He’s already had talks of moving in with a Canadian friend of ours. This was a nightmare situation for him, and I can’t help but to get that, even as someone who just isn’t in that community. I live in south Florida, which is such a complicated place to really describe, but I really do feel like it’s a microcosm of America as a whole— Full of all sorts of different people of different cultures, communities, and beliefs. And batshit insane people, like my former coworker who proudly showed me the article about her arrest for fraud 10+ years ago and said that doing crack is fucking boring. Most of my friends and family are openly and proudly LGBT, while other people I know tell bisexuals to just pick one gender, call transgender people “he-shes”, and think that the “Don’t Say Gay” law really is anti-indoctrination. Because they’re retarded.

I find myself being pretty live and let live as well, and I really do believe there’s a value in so many cultures being together— Florida has its own unique culture and cuisine, particularly with Anglo (+Italian), Spanish, Brasilian, and Caribbean people all coming together in their own way. It’s a really special thing that I love, and I don’t think it’s something that we really appreciate enough. It’s something I love about this forum, since I don’t have too many European friends. I’ve gotten to learn a lot from this place just by reading bits and pieces here and there, and I really want to learn about international affairs rather than staying ignorant. But as a Floridian, with the death of Amendments 3 and 4, let us have our rights to everything, maybe even murder for retail workers. Especially murder for retail workers, please.

I have a few friends plus my girlfriend who are there— Tennessee, Iowa, Virginia, etc. It’s pure terror for them. It really is the House, Senate, governors, and Supreme Court that are the threats to LGBT rights, which is sadly a point for Trump since he’s always been open about being fine with the LGBT and with gay marriage. Sure wish the rest of his cult heard that part.

And while this doesn't necessarily seem like a publicity stunt, I can't imagine the citizens of this country (a lot of whom are already armed) standing by and letting it's citizens be put into camps and executed for supporting Kamala Harris. You're talking about the complete collapse of the United States if that happens. People here just won't put up with that shit. Do I think there will be mass deportations? Unfortunately, yes. Do I think racism, sexism, and misogyny are about to become not just more overt, but downright accepted (more than it already is)? You bet your ass. It's going to be hard. But I don't think they're going to be rounding up gay people and putting them in gas chambers or anything that extreme. And if I'm wrong on that, I'll certainly admit it when the time comes. I'm just choosing to believe the situation isn't that dire. It feels more like Idiocracy than anything. At least to me.

All of my immigrant friends are fearful of that more than the LGBT ones, and seeing how JD Vance recently called for action against legal immigrants as recently as late October, I think they have every right to be scared. Gas chambers, not so much, yeah— That would genuinely lead to World War 3, and I do not think we would want to be the new Axis Powers in that. Just a hunch, anyways. As for execution for supporting Harris, there very much is the Trump quote of wanting to use military force on whoever the radical left is to him, but I can just hope that’ll be another broken campaign promise.

Yeah, it's very unfortunate. The division just keeps getting stronger. There is nothing pulling us closer together, but there are bigger and bigger wedges being placed between us. It's really a tale as old as time. It's why we have war. It's why the intolerance grows and grows until it comes to a head. We need a lot of change. A lot of it.

I can at least find some solace in the fact that both candidates’ spokespeople said that they want to work towards unifying the nation, rather than dividing it. That would be great for business, Donald, please get to it. The integrity and sportsmanship she displayed by simply conceding, immediately congratulating him on his victory, and citing the need for a peaceful transfer of power to maintain our democracy has absolutely earned her my respect and given me hope that maybe, just maybe, we can get to a better place by 2028. I mean, it’s said that the collapse of an empire comes around 250 years (Particularly Rome), but hey, I believe we can get there if we don’t fuck up too badly.

 

[eochaid]

I've made a full conversion from devout christian to atheist to antireligious and, being honest, seeing all the hypocrisy of the christians supporting Trump has made me angry no as an antireligious person or as an atheist but as a former christian.

Just yesterday I've seen a picture of Russell Brand wearing a hat with the sentence "make Jesus first again" and that made me so mad that I would have punched him in the face if i were to be in front of him at that very moment. And I still feel that would be more christ-like thing to do.

No matter how I feel about Jesus or all the religious issue but I know for sure that magas, and most of right wing christians everywhere in the world, don't know shit about their religion, and they don't want to know shit about their religion.

 

[Xpyro125]

I've made a full conversion from devout christian to atheist to antireligious and, being honest, seeing all the hypocrisy of the christians supporting Trump has made me angry no as an antireligious person or as an atheist but as a former christian.

Just yesterday I've seen a picture of Russell Brand wearing a hat with the sentence "make Jesus first again" and that made me so mad that I would have punched him in the face if i were to be in front of him at that very moment. And I still feel that would be more christ-like thing to do.

No matter how I feel about Jesus or all the religious issue but I know for sure that magas, and most of right wing christians everywhere in the world, don't know shit about their religion, and they don't want to know shit about their religion.

Completely agreed.

 

[The Grayfox]

I am a registered Independent -- and I stand by it. I have voted for Republicans in the past and I've voted for Democrats. If Donald Trump can actually get things done, I will be happy about that and I will applaud it when it's necessary. But I just don't think he's going to. He's a fucking windbag who is full of promises and no delivery. Does he actually want to unite us? Or does he just want to line his and his friends' pockets and watch the rest of us battle it out while he sows dissension? It's hard to take the man at his word because he's an inveterate liar. He is a business man who does whatever he deems necessary to get his way. And he surrounds himself with 'yes men' who will tell him anything he wants to hear. I'm just not confident he can get anything done and his cult will do nothing but make excuses for him when he fails. Holding himself accountable is not a strong suit of his. And right now, what this country needs is some fucking accountability.

I'm a white male. I'm in the group of least concern here. I feel for the immigrants of this country. And I think if there are mass deportations, the Trumpers have no clue how badly it's going to affect them. Their line of thinking is "send away all the illegals!" Yeah, well here in California, legal and illegal immigrants alike are a HUGE part of the workforce. Farming, wine, construction. Last I checked, California supplies a third of this country's vegetables and more than half of the country's fruit and nuts. You think that won't slow down? I know these pieces of shit are fueled by Hot Pockets and Cheetos, but still. They don't think about these things. Like I said before, instant gratification. They want to get their way and they want it right now so they can go on social media or hang out in the bar with their hillbilly friends and brag that they got 'the wetbacks' kicked out. Being dickless bullies is more important than spending just a few minutes educating themselves on what actually happens when you start deporting people. Trump loves the uneducated for this very reason.

I expected nothing less from Kamala Harris. She's all class and I'm greatly disappointed that she isn't the next President. I think she would've done a damn good job. On one hand, you've got Donald Trump saying he never should've left the White House, he claims voter fraud and "cheating!" every chance he gets. He blows microphones, he lies, he makes a complete ass of himself any time he does anything in public -- he's a fucking buffoon, plain and simple. He belongs in the circus, not running a country. And on the other hand, you've got Kamala Harris, a woman who carries herself with dignity and grace, she's happy and joyful and she does the right thing when it's needed. Of fucking course this country would choose Donald Trump over a black woman. It's pathetic.

I've always thought what Trump actually meant when he talked about using the military on the far left is during protests and also his political 'enemies', not the general public. Mind you, it's still not ok. It's far from ok. The guy speaks in hyperbole and just says whatever comes to his mind without thinking. That's a dangerous thing for a President to do. Also I just have to say... fuck JD Vance. I can't believe that coward is our new VP. I can't think of a more smarmy, ass-kissing son of a bitch than that idiot.

 

[eochaid]

I've always thought what Trump actually meant when he talked about using the military on the far left is during protests and also his political 'enemies', not the general public. Mind you, it's still not ok. It's far from ok. The guy speaks in hyperbole and just says whatever comes to his mind without thinking. That's a dangerous thing for a President to do.

The problem with this kind of speeches is that, even if he doesn't intend to do that, he's giving the message that anyone with a different way of thinking is the enemy, so hatred and violence towards them is ok. Even if he doesn't, someone will because they've listened to him and believe those words to he true.

 

[GraemeSinclair]

As a Scottish person, I've despised Donald Trump since he bought an area of outstanding natural beauty and ecological diversity on our coastline, turned it into a golf course, completely destroying it in the process and acting like a disgusting bully to people who lived adjacent and wouldn't sell up to him (he cut off water and electricity supplies to a man's house and built an enormous wall of dirt around another guy's property who had previously had a sea view).

I genuinely don't understand anyone who looks at him and doesn't see all of the worst traits a human being could have, tremendous arrogance, proud ignorance, a total lack of care or compassion, brazen lies and complete inability to self-reflect or accept accountability for anything. Sincerely, what the fuck is wrong with the people who decided that such an individual is worthy of holding any office, let alone what is ostensibly the highest office in world politics?

 

[DE4life]

Simply, most of them see these traits as something to admire. It sucks but you can't really frame it any other way when you consider how profoundly disgusting Trump is as a human being. Excusing it by saying "but muh price of milk" doesn't cut it for me, sorry. There's some things you just don't vote for. There are independent candidates with similar platforms you could have voted for. I genuinely would not be able to trust anyone who voted for Trump (I don't know anyone who did for the record, in fact literally everyone in the UK or Finland that I've spoken to pretty much hates him).

 

[eochaid]

Don't forget that the champion of the right wing christianity doesn't know a single sentence of the bible, not even the Lords Prayer, and ordered to storm a church so that he could give a speech.