obama puts the heat on mcpain
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nailz
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I was actually being sincere in your having a daughter. I appologize if it came off as sarcasm.
The rest of it, however, might as well have had a drip plate under it. And I'm perfectly aware of how I spelled god, without the capital, thanks.
'god' being taken out of schools is one hell of a horse-shit answer. If parents are that concerned about it, they can certainly ship their kids off to be sexually repressed at any religous school. The lack of disipline stems from a generation of people who didn't want to be controlled or stifled, and don't know how to parent. It has nothing to do with religion, or lack thereof.
I've known a lot of people who grew up in a very strict religious household, who turned out to be the biggest cut loose sexual deviants the instant their little world was opened up to the big picture.
Hope you don't live in Texas.
lady_space
Porno kitty
Give birth to the child of her rapist? Yeah, that's easy. :Smug: Giving up a child for adoption in any case is not an easy thing to do. And not YOUR choice to make.
Reverend Su
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QFT
thanks Shaye
you and i are walking the same road on this conversation, methinks---unless someone has had to make this choice, they will NEVER know what it feels like...and to put it out there as something easy to do? no...it isn't.
(although i NEVER say "give a child up" for adoption -- that phrase should be stricken, as it makes it sound so friggin easy...and it really isn't :hotjump
lady_space
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thanks Shaye
you and i are walking the same road on this conversation, methinks---unless someone has had to make this choice, they will NEVER know what it feels like...and to put it out there as something easy to do? no...it isn't.
(although i NEVER say "give a child up" for adoption -- that phrase should be stricken, as it makes it sound so friggin easy...and it really isn't :hotjump
Oh, it doesn't sound easy to me by any stretch, but I see what you mean. What do you say?
What's the line in that song, if you ever had to walk a mile in his shoes then you might really know what it's like?
Reverend Su
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i say "placed for adoption"...cuz that's what i did - i hand-picked J's parents and *placed* him with a loving family...
i'll have to tell you about what happened when someone said something about me "throwing the kid away like garbage" because of my choice...oh yeah - that ended NOT AT ALL well for that person :hotjump:
but for anyone who thinks it's easy - talk to someone who has been there. unless she is a heartless bitch, it was nowhere near an easy choice...
nailz
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Oh my god what a horrible thing to say... I can't believe anyone could be such a douchebag.
OrbWeaver
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Reverend Su
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oh yeah - "taken to task" would be putting it mildly (for those who know me now and think i might be a bit...hot-headed...you shoulda seen me when i was younger and full of way more piss and vinegar...i am beyond mellow now, as compared to then...practically zen, if you will)
horrible? yes. douchebag? oh yeah - believe it.
but hey...that's just my tale. everyone has a story to tell, and now i feel i have totally hijacked this thread...sorry about that...
by all means everyone - back to the topic if you want
::goes away and stops hijacking threads::
lady_space
Porno kitty
heh, well, let me take over the hijacking...
Yes, like I said, adoption is demonized, too. I heard people say hurtful things about a friend I used to work with who placed her child for adoption, and have heard general comments as well. It's like you can't win for fucking losing with some people. Fuck 'em, Su; we know you're the better person.
I'm sure there are some women out there who are, as you said, heartless bitches, but I think at least some of them are closer to saints than most of us will ever be. Kudos to them for making the hard choice and giving those children and adoptive families a little joy.
Time for the Birthmothers Kick Ass world tour??
Shaye
Purveyor Of Evil
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Oops. CATHOLIC school is how I meant to spell it. I'm sure now I'll get flamed for going to Catholic school and having someone say it influences my thinking on the murdering of innocent unborn children. But hey, even an atheist knows murder is wrong. And, Ascension brings up very good points. I agree with him completely and I'm done with posting on this topic because I believe abortion is the medical term for murder. Nothing more and nothing less.
Reverend Su
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heh, well, let me take over the hijacking...
Yes, like I said, adoption is demonized, too. I heard people say hurtful things about a friend I used to work with who placed her child for adoption, and have heard general comments as well. It's like you can't win for fucking losing with some people. Fuck 'em, Su; we know you're the better person.
I'm sure there are some women out there who are, as you said, heartless bitches, but I think at least some of them are closer to saints than most of us will ever be. Kudos to them for making the hard choice and giving those children and adoptive families a little joy.
Time for the Birthmothers Kick Ass world tour??
Shaye
huzzah!!!
thanks Shaye - i know you got my back on that one
...but i would say that between heartless bitch and saint, i think i stand firmly in the middle (wow--the only time in my life you can say i am the middle-of-the-road!!! teehee)
for what it 's worth, in re: conversation about parochial school in PA/emerald sword... i went to catholic school too - so much for that influencing the way people think--so i dont think you have to worry about being flamed for that, E.Sword (well, i should HOPE you don't get flamed for that, i mean)...
tra la
I went to Catholic school my whole life, even though I am definately no longer catholic and never really was, just had to pretend to be to make my parents happy, because if I didn't go to church they would of put the hurt down on me. Let's just say they were pissed off at me and still are to this day upset I no longer go to Catholic church, or an organized religion period, I just think they are no good. When I went to my grandmothers funeral a few months back, I saw the catholic church put their money to good use to buy some 42" flat panel lcd HDtvs(I saw at least 3 of them) just to have a slideshow of advertisements for the church, so I see where the parishoners(my parents) money went that they donate to the church, instead of helping people in need.
Back on topic though, well at least the subtopic. I am definately pro-life, but to each their own, and they are the ones that have to live with their decision for the rest of their life, and it will haunt them for the rest of their lives. I know a couple people who have had one, and let's just say, it bothers them still even after it being years ago, so they get what they deserve for taking somebody's live and I hope everybody who gets aborted haunts their would be parents for the rest of their lives.
Back on topic though, well at least the subtopic. I am definately pro-life, but to each their own, and they are the ones that have to live with their decision for the rest of their life, and it will haunt them for the rest of their lives. I know a couple people who have had one, and let's just say, it bothers them still even after it being years ago, so they get what they deserve for taking somebody's live and I hope everybody who gets aborted haunts their would be parents for the rest of their lives.
RiffDaemon
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Pellaz
Tigron of Immanion
The flat tax would be an improvement (it would simplify the tax code), but it would be labeled (correctly) as a regressive tax by the liberals and therefore fail.
By comparison, the current tax code is remarkably progressive -- meaning that it places most of the taxpaying burden on the upper income levels. But, that's also why, for the economy it serves, it is an Epic Fail. (Even if it 'feels good' to stick it to the 'filthy rich.')
(Regarding the Fair Tax)
23% on all retail sales. You'd get to keep all of your pay, though. No Federal income, FICA or Medicare withholding.
www.fairtax.org
I think the corporate tax rate is zero under the Fair Tax, but I'm still exploring their site.
She also said something about the war in Iraq being a mission from God.
And she's correct.
Sort of.
It is, in fact, a response to a de-facto jihad declared by the militant, extremist wing of the Muslim faith on the West. (Al-queda has often referred to "The Throne of Rome" as its enemy in press releases, which is Muslim shorthand for either the Christian world or the democratic governments of the West.)
It's wayyy past time for world leaders to acknowledge this publically. (Privately, of course, they're fully aware.)
No-Mercy
Feanor
a flat rax rate would be good only if the statement of "how hard you work is how much you get paid" were true.
from my knowledge, there really is little-to-no relation between work effort/time and salary.
from my knowledge, there really is little-to-no relation between work effort/time and salary.
nailz
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23% on all retail sales. You'd get to keep all of your pay, though. No Federal income, FICA or Medicare withholding.
www.fairtax.org
I think the corporate tax rate is zero under the Fair Tax, but I'm still exploring their site.
I imagine retail to include cars. I dunno if I'm all about that. And housing, is that included? If so, say goodbye to home ownership. I'll do some digging into that site asap though, thanks.
Pellaz
Tigron of Immanion
But consider: the automakers (and all their suppliers) would not be spending any money on corporate taxes or tax compliance (tax accountants, etc.) After a while, the competitive free market exerts itself and the after-tax prices plummet.
I don't think home purchases are included.
Hmm, I've got this really nifty discount coupon from Amazon....might be time to stuff the Fair Tax book into an order with a few CDs.
This is about as far as I want to go on this thread, since it's devolved into the usual abortion of an abortion thread.
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