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progmetaldan
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I've got a mesa F30 now, which is great. No, the lonestar doesn't have nearly as much gain on tap as the mark IV, but I really don't use much gain anyway. The lonestar has plenty for me.
DoomsdayZach
The Professor was right
Just listening to some kick ass pagan metal and realizing how much power is in some of these words. I mean, this is no news to me, but there's a big difference between having the knowledge and really having the understanding and meaning behind it. The song that prompted this was Amon Amarth's "A Thousand Years of Oppression", but it's also been playing on my mind with songs like Eluveitie's "Your Gaulish War", "Slania's Song" or "Gray Sublime Archon". There's an honest sense of pride in themselves as a culture, their history... totally goddamned awesome.
Burnout
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Did you see the public statement Moonsorrow and Tyr had to make in Europe about not being Nazis? Some crazy political correctness group was bitching about some of the symbols they use in their logos/designs.
DoomsdayZach
The Professor was right
Yeah, it has to do with the runes they use in their logos. The Moonsorrow thing was because the S is the same rune that the German Schutzstaffel (SS) used as their emblem. Tyr's logo uses the Tyr rune for the T, which stands for power and honor or something like that. Of course, neo-nazi groups have to take something that is their heritage and personal honor and pervert it to fit their own fucked up, biggoted adgenda.
I seriously hate racist fucks who have to ruin shit
I seriously hate racist fucks who have to ruin shit
Burnout
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Yeah, it has to do with the runes they use in their logos. The Moonsorrow thing was because the S is the same rune that the German Schutzstaffel (SS) used as their emblem. Tyr's logo uses the Tyr rune for the T, which stands for power and honor or something like that. Of course, neo-nazi groups have to take something that is their heritage and personal honor and pervert it to fit their own fucked up, biggoted adgenda.
I seriously hate racist fucks who have to ruin shit
Yeah, it just seemed crazy to me that someone would accuse those bands of something like that.
noble savage
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DoomsdayZach
The Professor was right
Well, just as racist people are the scum of the world and straight up pieces of shit, the same goes for those folks on the complete opposite side of the coin. It is just twisting the meaning of things to fit their own agendas, which is bullshit. No one cares about the true meaning behind anything anymore.
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what's that all about Noble? And what was your name again dude? I can't remember
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what's that all about Noble? And what was your name again dude? I can't remember
Burnout
Faith Puppeteer
Well, just as racist people are the scum of the world and straight up pieces of shit, the same goes for those folks on the complete opposite side of the coin. It is just twisting the meaning of things to fit their own agendas, which is bullshit. No one cares about the true meaning behind anything anymore.
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Truth!
On another note, I'm hoping to try and fly up to Montreal, catching an Augury show and partying with the dudes from the band at some point in the not too distant future.
noble savage
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My real name is Chris.
I was referring to the Moon sorrow Nazi incident. I'm only a little familiar with those bands, but isn't it obvious that they aren't affiliated with Nazi fuckwads? A lot of people seem to be abandoning critical thinking for immediately jumping to stupid conclusions. The world is turning into a giant South Park episode or something.
I was referring to the Moon sorrow Nazi incident. I'm only a little familiar with those bands, but isn't it obvious that they aren't affiliated with Nazi fuckwads? A lot of people seem to be abandoning critical thinking for immediately jumping to stupid conclusions. The world is turning into a giant South Park episode or something.
So what are the base of their lyrics about and do any of those bands have singers ?
DoomsdayZach
The Professor was right
Ah, i was curious if you were saying that this discussion would degenerate, but you're right (especially the giant south park episode comment)
Neither Eluveitie nor Amon Amarth have signers. If you want to check on Slania's song, they have a very nice female vocalist for the majority of the vocals with their regular vocalist (a growler) doing small parts here and there and some backing growls.
If you haven't checked out Tyr, they're very good. They DO have a singer, their stuff is very midpaced, but a great mix of progressive and shred parts in some very awesome folk melodies.
Let's see, to address the lyrics question:
Amon Amarth are from Sweden, obviously having very strong viking heritage. Their songs are about battles, pride in ones culture, etc. The specific song i was talking about is essentially about how Christians are supposed to have a kind God, supposed to spread a message of peace and love yet they have an incredibly violent and intolerant view, expecially back in those days. Again, highly recommend reading the lyrics because they are very angry, yet powerful.
Eluveitie is a Swiss band that uses traditional celtic instruments and melodies and sing about Helvetian history. The songs I mentioned cover different aspects of it. "Your Gaulish War" is about the war back when Caeser decided to invade Helvetia and basically try to wipe out their culture for political and monetary gain and lied to his government to get their blessing for the "pre-emptive action". "Gray Sublime Archon" is about one of their higher ups in the army who refused to submit and surrender, which ended up costing thousands of people their lives. While (in the song, I don't know how much of this is historically documented) he has doubts about if he made the right decision to fight rather than save the lives of his people, it illustrates their resolve as a culture and their pride and will. "Slania's Song" is basically a patriotic song about the country and it's absolutely beautiful. The song is in the Gaulish language, but the translation rules.
No doubt the bible has left a wicked trail of blood, but people were into that shit back... not even that long ago if you consider native Americans... but the bible was just the excuse, it was the "gold" of the land we northern (& southern) Europeans wanted.
A similiar story to that you mention of Helvetia and Romans is that of Boudica and the Iceni, very sad, sad story. Surely some band has written a song about that ? Man and his fucking conquest of that which is not his......
I will check a few of these bands out
A similiar story to that you mention of Helvetia and Romans is that of Boudica and the Iceni, very sad, sad story. Surely some band has written a song about that ? Man and his fucking conquest of that which is not his......
I will check a few of these bands out
Kenneth R.
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WhoFooldU
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What does the article have to do with capitalism? or democracy for that matter? You expect 5 year olds to fully understand and appreciate democracy? Come on, consider the source here.
noble savage
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Oh yeah, I remember hearing about this. I was flicking through the channels and this kids mom was being interviewed on CNN or something. He had something like 50 (I forget the exact amount, but it was high as hell.) detentions before this.
I couldn't ever imagine doing that to a kid. Especially one who has a few problems. I hope that teacher gets fired!
I couldn't ever imagine doing that to a kid. Especially one who has a few problems. I hope that teacher gets fired!
J-Dubya 777
It NEVER ends
There's definately stuff on both sides of this story. I agree with Glenn that these are five year olds for chrissake! At 5 years old, I was still worried about pooping my pants, much less voting a classmate out. On the flip side of the equation, if the kid has problems/issues he needs to be removed from a common classroom. Period. If he has issues with acting out, functional autism, whatever, he needs some specialized education. As harsh as it sounds, off to the short bus with him!
One of the things I despise about our current society is the thinking that every kid is equal, and every kid is a star. Whatever happened to EARNING stuff? Whatever happened to pushing a kid to make an effort to do better, instead of coddlinig them and forcing them to be equal to all the other kids? I'll use a co-worker's son's baseball league as an example. At the end of the season, they ALL get trophies. The first place team's is no bigger/better than the last place. No, they don't just all get "participation" trophies, it's this way because some kid's parents a couple years back, didn't like that their son was on a last place team, and got no trophy. It's rediculous. Parents can't smack their kids when they get out of line, kids suing their folks for being spanked. The scariest part of all this is that these coddled, unmotivated fucktards are going to be running this country someday, and taking care of your ancient asses when you get old. I don't blame the kids as much as I blame their parents, and this country's educational system. It really is time for some SERIOUS upheaval in this country...Shit, I thought Gen X was (at the time) the worst thing that I saw happening as I got older.....And just in case you all think I lost my sense of humor, the first person to even type "Ron Paul" is banned for a week!
One of the things I despise about our current society is the thinking that every kid is equal, and every kid is a star. Whatever happened to EARNING stuff? Whatever happened to pushing a kid to make an effort to do better, instead of coddlinig them and forcing them to be equal to all the other kids? I'll use a co-worker's son's baseball league as an example. At the end of the season, they ALL get trophies. The first place team's is no bigger/better than the last place. No, they don't just all get "participation" trophies, it's this way because some kid's parents a couple years back, didn't like that their son was on a last place team, and got no trophy. It's rediculous. Parents can't smack their kids when they get out of line, kids suing their folks for being spanked. The scariest part of all this is that these coddled, unmotivated fucktards are going to be running this country someday, and taking care of your ancient asses when you get old. I don't blame the kids as much as I blame their parents, and this country's educational system. It really is time for some SERIOUS upheaval in this country...Shit, I thought Gen X was (at the time) the worst thing that I saw happening as I got older.....And just in case you all think I lost my sense of humor, the first person to even type "Ron Paul" is banned for a week!
Kenneth R.
Cináed
Oh of course they can't comprehend it! That's exactly the problem. This teacher seemed to think that it would be a great idea to let the rest of the class say what they didn't like about the kid and then vote him out like some poorly scripted episode of kiddie survivor. Democracy, even among adults, seems to be misapplied again and again to the detriment of our society. At that age, there is no way that kids can understand what the vote means for them or for their subject.
Not to mention, that it was a public vote and public criticism. Nobody should have to endure the negative outcry of other kids at that age. This teacher goofed period, and it's a perfect example of the misapplication of politics in the wrong place and time that seems to so pervade the way we do things.
And JDub, I agree about the cushy cushy bullshit treatment. Kids need to understand the way things work. But not in kindergarten when it's about learning how to tolerate other people and develop social skills.
Just like the absolutely asinine accusation against Moonsorrow.
RON PAUL .............. lol
I agree 100% with your last paragraph JD and I wont even go off but I have wicked stories... have a 19 yr old daughter ya know... well she was 15 once and if I had a magic wand...........
HOWEVER ! What this teacher did was dead wrong... she created a gang up scene with his classmates. This stuff is to be handled between parents, adminstration and the teachers. If that was my child I would have bitch slapped that bitch into the next county and happily sat my time in jail !
That is irreversable damage she just did to that child. We grew up with a retarded girl on our very street, we were NEVER mean to her. I also have a friend who has a son that is in bad shape, beside autistic, hes down syndrome and quite a few other things. Sweet little fella, happy as could be when hes not "melting down" but other things related to autisim makes him hard to control and when he wants to pat you on the back... its more like being pounded... lol... but he has a big smile on his face.
props Ken !
I agree 100% with your last paragraph JD and I wont even go off but I have wicked stories... have a 19 yr old daughter ya know... well she was 15 once and if I had a magic wand...........
HOWEVER ! What this teacher did was dead wrong... she created a gang up scene with his classmates. This stuff is to be handled between parents, adminstration and the teachers. If that was my child I would have bitch slapped that bitch into the next county and happily sat my time in jail !
That is irreversable damage she just did to that child. We grew up with a retarded girl on our very street, we were NEVER mean to her. I also have a friend who has a son that is in bad shape, beside autistic, hes down syndrome and quite a few other things. Sweet little fella, happy as could be when hes not "melting down" but other things related to autisim makes him hard to control and when he wants to pat you on the back... its more like being pounded... lol... but he has a big smile on his face.
props Ken !
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