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J-Dubya 777
It NEVER ends
Agreed 100% Ken. I'm not saying what the teacher did was RIGHT, just that disruptive/problematic kids, no matter what the affliction, really do need to be in a classroom with someone better trained or better experienced to handle them.
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I couldn't agree more that she was wrong, but like I said in Ken's response, those kind of kids need to be in a more specialized class. Nothing against these kids in life, or society, but early education can leave a BIG mark, be it good or bad...
Sounds like my friend.
His is 18, graduated highschool this past week and he can't wait to kick her ass out of the house. Cute as hell, but absolutely psychotic. If she doesn't go on a dismembering rampage before she hits her mid 20's, I'll be VERY surprised...
schenkadere
Obey my dog!
The teacher should be canned. The child obviously has issues that would be better handled in a different type of classroom environment. The school administration should be investigated as well...they were most likely turning a blind eye. Some lazy fuck probably didn't want the extra paperwork.
I'm sure everyone has at least one traumatic memory from their days of early education...that stuff sticks with you like emotional dumplings.
I'm sure everyone has at least one traumatic memory from their days of early education...that stuff sticks with you like emotional dumplings.
^ yeah, what a way to go through life... everybody hates me.... wait a second, that has some fimiliarity........ lol
you are correct there was major failure at work here. My father was a school administrator, problems were handled in the office. Of course the paddle was still in play when I was in elementary, I got it once myself and am a better man for it, and was certainly a better "boy"......
you are correct there was major failure at work here. My father was a school administrator, problems were handled in the office. Of course the paddle was still in play when I was in elementary, I got it once myself and am a better man for it, and was certainly a better "boy"......
ABQShredHead
©1970
One of the things I despise about our current society is the thinking that every kid is equal, and every kid is a star. Whatever happened to EARNING stuff? Whatever happened to pushing a kid to make an effort to do better, instead of coddlinig them and forcing them to be equal to all the other kids? I'll use a co-worker's son's baseball league as an example. At the end of the season, they ALL get trophies. The first place team's is no bigger/better than the last place. No, they don't just all get "participation" trophies, it's this way because some kid's parents a couple years back, didn't like that their son was on a last place team, and got no trophy. It's rediculous. Parents can't smack their kids when they get out of line, kids suing their folks for being spanked. The scariest part of all this is that these coddled, unmotivated fucktards are going to be running this country someday, and taking care of your ancient asses when you get old. I don't blame the kids as much as I blame their parents, and this country's educational system. It really is time for some SERIOUS upheaval in this country...Shit, I thought Gen X was (at the time) the worst thing that I saw happening as I got older.....And just in case you all think I lost my sense of humor, the first person to even type "Ron Paul" is banned for a week!
I bloody well agree with you there, JDub. I read two books long ago that gave me insights into the points you touch one. The first is called The Nine, written by Jeff Toobin, a CNN reporter, and it details his research on the Supreme Court over the past half century and more. It's interesting to see how he points to the extreme liberalism of the Warren and Berger Courts and how their rulings have left our country in our current state, and the backlash created on the extreme Conservative side of our politics.
The second book is The New Tolerance: How a Cultural Movement Threatens To Destroy You, by Josh McDowell. I couldn't put this book down - most of what I read I see proliferating itself throughout our society. And you touched on exactly one of McDowell's points - that we're accepting every idea and faith as equal, giving credence to any belief as legitimate, and blanketing our children with false praise, a practice manifested in the times of the liberal Court that allowed such diluted thoughts to proliferate throughout our society. What's worse is these attitudes and ideas are being taught directly to our kids through our school system, and many of McDowell's stories are quite scary.
These two books definitely opened my eyes.
DoomsdayZach
The Professor was right
My favorite quote ever (I may have posted this here before):
"Beliefs themselves do not merit automatic respect and deference. Humans certainly deserve some basic level of respect and respectful treatment, but beliefs aren't people. We should be polite and respectful towards the person, but we are justified in being harsh and critical of a person's claims. However much a person might take such criticism personally, we must separate ourselves from our beliefs. An attack on one shouldn't be treated as an attack on the other. If a belief or idea is to be respected, it must earn that respect."
Pretty much what people are saying. First off, the teacher is out of line in publicly humiliating the kid, but aside from that, in general people need to lighten the fuck up and stop coddling kids. We played goddamn dodgeball when i was a kid. That's the way it goes.
"Beliefs themselves do not merit automatic respect and deference. Humans certainly deserve some basic level of respect and respectful treatment, but beliefs aren't people. We should be polite and respectful towards the person, but we are justified in being harsh and critical of a person's claims. However much a person might take such criticism personally, we must separate ourselves from our beliefs. An attack on one shouldn't be treated as an attack on the other. If a belief or idea is to be respected, it must earn that respect."
Pretty much what people are saying. First off, the teacher is out of line in publicly humiliating the kid, but aside from that, in general people need to lighten the fuck up and stop coddling kids. We played goddamn dodgeball when i was a kid. That's the way it goes.
I have friends involved in school sports programs and you would not believe the stories they have of things some parents have said to them. One was involved in wrestling, we both wrestled 6 yrs back in the day. Its like some parents are from outer space. He told me he flat out told them maybe wrestling isnt the sport for your child, its hard work and thats the way its going to be.
ABQShredHead
©1970
When I was in school, commentaries from teachers involved telling students the evils of the boob tube; here, distorted Hollywood concepts and practices are brought directly to the youth by those trusted to teach them right from wrong. Very poor work, lacking in originality, yet fraught in therapy-inducing potentials.
greenaxer
Knight of the Templar
Hehe, dodgeball was so fun. But besides that, the simplest game like tag has been banned in several schools. Tag! Apparently it was making kids feel "excluded" when they were "it." WTF??
So the teacher was "reassigned." How many times have we heard that one? So sad.
So the teacher was "reassigned." How many times have we heard that one? So sad.
J-Dubya 777
It NEVER ends
Thanks for those links ABQ! I have no kids, which, IMO, makes me a better observer of this. I'm VERY interested in those books. I'm not saying I wouldn't coddle my own spawn, but I know how I was raised, by "Greatest Generation" parents, and those values will be with me til I die. It's a whole nudda ball game for the majority out there...Thanks again for the links!
Dodgeball was for gym class.
When I was at St. Norbert's for grade school, we played Smear The Queer (known simply as Smear-em in our neighborhood) out in the asphalt parking lot. Literally tackling. Sure I got my share of scarred knees & elbows, but we had fun. Kids learned to use what they had (speed or size or ...) to avoid getting killed. Nobody died, nobody sued. You just went to the nurse's office to get a band-aid or have some rocks tweezed out. Sadly, even WAYYY back then, it was outlawed by the time I hit 7th grade. God bless him! I only wish there were more like him out there!
Yeah, I've always said that I'm glad I was a kid & a teenager when I was. I wouldn't want to be one today. It's not just nostalgia, things were so different for kids back then.
Way too many, and I'm sure it locks in to the book(s) posted above...
MMMm donuts! I do have a Krypronite like weakness for FRESH Krispy Kreams!
ROFL
Not that kids ride bikes anymore but I wouldnt be surprised if they are totally illegal in a few decades. Around here now, every once in awhile a few kids get out on a skate board or even skates....... well dont ya know, the old ninnies made a ordinance to keep them off the sidewalks, the store owners go out and yell at them if they are in the parking lot... its like everyone wants to send the kids in to stare at the TV or video screen........ Christ almighty ! If the kids are out of control on the walks with their skate boards its up to the adults or grandmas to play smear the queer, it could become a big game and fun could be had by all... but no... somebody might get a... booboo... boohoo
ya, I like my donuts alittle crunchy
Saw that story on Fark the other day....really is disgusting. Having known people with that disorder makes it even more disgusting for me. I agree 100% about kids being coddled too much. My generation got it more than some of you older guys, I'm sure, but not nearly to the extent kids get it now. I'm really glad I graduated and got out of public schooling when I did.
DoomsdayZach
The Professor was right
My ex made a comment once that stuck with me as a great cynical commentary on how people think today. And i'll preface this by saying yes.... she was only joking! She's not retarded.
The kids across the street from me have awesome parents who are cool as shit because they encourage their kids to play outside and stuff. One time we drove by my house to grab some stuff, then again a few hours later to get something i forgot. Both times the kids were playing outside and obviously had been for 3-4 hours at least. She says "Jesus... don't those kids have a TV or anything?"
In fact when I babysat them a few years ago, we would constantly wrestle (like actually wrestle. I would pick them up and flip them over my back, throw them on the ground, etc. Guess what? They had a great time!). We all know that shit would never fly these days, what with lawsuits, bullshit child molestation cases (which don't even joke about that, those kids ruled and I'm not a perv... at least not pervy for little 9 year old kids
), kids getting hurt and shit. Fuck that, everything is too safe these days.
noble savage
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I can't speak for anyone else, but I'm also glad I left high school when I did. It started getting really bad with drugs and teachers doing weird things like: teachers trying to molest an 8th grade boy by showing up unannounced at their birthday with wine, another sent a 7th grader porn.
My last week of school I helped out a kid who was doing a talent show. One of the music teachers also agreed to help with the piano parts. A week later he was arrested for meeting who he thought was a male prostitute for sex in park near my old house. A month before that, the middle school was locked down because an 8th grader had cocaine in his locker.
My senior year, I would sometimes tutor freshman/sophomores in physics or physical science and even the smartest where hard to deal with. This is a huge reason why I'm hesitant to ever have kids. I was fortunate in that I had some excellent teachers who really motivated me to try harder. The same not be said in the future. I would home school them, but then they may turn out to be socially awkward. As much as I hate dealing with people it is just as important as book smarts.
One thing is certain. America is coming dead last in education and something needs to be done immediately. Nothing good can come from kids who have no motivation or desire to learn. Not to mention our culture completely despises intellectualism.
Also, Zach in 10th grade I had a world cultures teacher who (Jokingly!) wrestled a kid to the ground. Nothing, thankfully, happened to the teacher as it was one of the funniest things I have ever seen.
yeah man... kids are great fun.... then they become teenagers.... lol . No doubt the most precious years of my life were my daughters first 14, we did alot of stuff together, walks, all the dog sleddin, playing in the creek out back, catching trout by hand. Kinda Tomboy stuff but thats me and we are "hillbillys". Shes OK now, all her upbringing still shows, but when a teenage girl wants liberation at 15.... I pity the fool that tries to stop her. She went from high honors to damn near quiting school, we saved that one by means that are an insult to my intellegence. She did manage to start college but then quit, so now she is in the same boat her mother and I are... only times changed and thats a huge brick wall now, our generation had options until the past decade or so. Now anything worth a hoot requires a "bachelors" "degree".
I dont know what to think about the education standards of the world, I think as for the US Id have to say we are not exactly of the smartest race's and have more of a history of hard work and strong will, rather than conformation and self disipline for keeping our noses burried in books. But thats just my loose evaluation. I argued all the time with my father about how school was taught. I failed miserably only because I hated it, I was bored to tears. So I spent two of my highschool summers in summer school, I went from very low grades to high 80's and even 90's in six short weeks. Those teachers kept us involved and got to the point.... where as our highschool teachers were what I compare to the adult voice that was used for Charlie Brown cartoons if anyone knows what I mean.... everything was a droning mumble, that lasted all day and went on for weeks and months and years.
I dont know what to think about the education standards of the world, I think as for the US Id have to say we are not exactly of the smartest race's and have more of a history of hard work and strong will, rather than conformation and self disipline for keeping our noses burried in books. But thats just my loose evaluation. I argued all the time with my father about how school was taught. I failed miserably only because I hated it, I was bored to tears. So I spent two of my highschool summers in summer school, I went from very low grades to high 80's and even 90's in six short weeks. Those teachers kept us involved and got to the point.... where as our highschool teachers were what I compare to the adult voice that was used for Charlie Brown cartoons if anyone knows what I mean.... everything was a droning mumble, that lasted all day and went on for weeks and months and years.
Kenneth R.
Cináed
smear the queer was and still is the shit.
when i have kids, they aren't getting the Politically Correct treatment. they're going to get the straight truth from me and mommy, and it's going to be to their great benefit and to the great outcry of all the other parents, who will no doubt shelter their kids awfully. and their kids will come home with stories of what my kid told them is bullshit and lies, and the misses and i will just laugh at their voicemails.
when i have kids, they aren't getting the Politically Correct treatment. they're going to get the straight truth from me and mommy, and it's going to be to their great benefit and to the great outcry of all the other parents, who will no doubt shelter their kids awfully. and their kids will come home with stories of what my kid told them is bullshit and lies, and the misses and i will just laugh at their voicemails.
DoomsdayZach
The Professor was right
Today i got a sandwich and they fucked it up by putting WAAAAY too much oil on it. And I was listening to Blind Guardian at the time which fit perfectly.
I took a bite and was like "what is this shenanigans?" Took another bite and realized the sandwich was bunk. So i wrapped it up and tossed it into the garbage, and blood tears I cried, endless grief remained inside.
I took a bite and was like "what is this shenanigans?" Took another bite and realized the sandwich was bunk. So i wrapped it up and tossed it into the garbage, and blood tears I cried, endless grief remained inside.
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