Overrated 'Classics' (Review Thread: Lists are For Fags)

[metal_wrath]

i actually love some of the tracks from that dvd. But Jon N is just a twat. Regardless of whether i like his voice and playing. They are a serious bunch of idiots.

Interesting point, but I think you are forgetting something:

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[Alteredmindeath]

lol

 

[Wires & Waves]

Or, to put it another way, the 'art' lies in the relationship between the emotional, spiritual, or 'ideological' content and the way content is conveyed aesthetically.

i don't really understand how mumble manages to allow this point to be lost on him over and over again. i believe the act of listening to and evaluating one's own enjoyment of a work is inherently a philosophical act; on the subconscious level we are comparing and evaluating what we perceive to be the communicated meaning of the work vs. our own ideology. taking this into account, the idea that it's somehow possible to magically separate the "philosophical" and "aural" aspects of a work is patently ridiculous. the aural is philosophical, or else it is meaningless and impossible to either enjoy or dislike.

that said, it does seem that you (or at least many ANUS people) believe in some kind of inherent, universal codex for the interpretation of a work's meaning, leaving the only variable re: personal evaluation to be this process of comparison of said meaning vs. personal ideology (i.e., art "means" much the same thing to everyone on the subconscious level, what determines enjoyment is whether they agree with it or not), which is where we diverge.

 

[Armageddon's Child]

that said, it does seem that you (or at least many ANUS people) believe in some kind of inherent, universal codex for the interpretation of a work's meaning, leaving the only variable re: personal evaluation to be this process of comparison of said meaning vs. personal ideology (i.e., art "means" much the same thing to everyone on the subconscious level, what determines enjoyment is whether they agree with it or not), which is where we diverge.

A couple of thoughts:

1. I don't think anyone is arguing for 'inherent' meaning - but art doesn't take place in a vaccum, and while each artist modifies the symbolic language to suit their purposes, there is a socially delineated meaning to the symbols used that is there to be sussed out.

2. All ideas are not created equal - good art should start with good ideas...