POLL..... your recording/mixing seesion software
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Keiffer said:
Hmmm, well I'll be damned. I guess I just haven't found out how to do that yet. I can right-click on an object and that's where I can apply all of Samplitude's effects, but I haven't found a menu where I can add VST/DX effects yet.
I wonder if this was disabled in my SE version?
Kazrog
Kazrog, Inc.
Digital Performer is missing from your poll! It's my software of choice by far, but I voted for Pro Tools since I occasionally use it (when I have to create/import a Pro Tools session file if I'm working with a PT user.)
As others have mentioned, Logic is also notably missing. This poll is clearly the work of a Windoze user.
As others have mentioned, Logic is also notably missing. This poll is clearly the work of a Windoze user.
Carrier Flux
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I'm happy with Sonar 5.
It's a plenty powerful app for what I need it to do, and the features like submix busses (which I'm sure are pretty standard) and per take effects bins etc make it plenty nice to work with. the midi is also quite nice; and I think they've improved in midi clips/groove clips a lot in the past few versions (they used to be really buggy).
I only have three complaints:
1) setting up sidechain compressors is a pain in the butt. from what I can figure out you have to have two separate stereo busses (one compressor and one audio track per buss) to get a two channel (stereo) sidechain going. and in this case the left and right side are processing differently potentially leading to imbalances in your stereo image (or phasing issues maybe?)
2) Drumkit from hell superior is a pain to work with. sonar doesn't parse vst rewire apps properly or something, so you have to use a series of inserts and huge numbers of submix busses just to get your drums into separate pan-able and processable channels. it WORKS fine, it's just a pain.
3) it keeps getting more and more bloated with each new version. taking up more CPU cycles and screen real-estate. if this gets out of hand I may consider a different DAW.
I'd probably move to SawStudio if it came with a reasonable MIDI interface at a reasonable price. but for now sonar does what I need.
It's a plenty powerful app for what I need it to do, and the features like submix busses (which I'm sure are pretty standard) and per take effects bins etc make it plenty nice to work with. the midi is also quite nice; and I think they've improved in midi clips/groove clips a lot in the past few versions (they used to be really buggy).
I only have three complaints:
1) setting up sidechain compressors is a pain in the butt. from what I can figure out you have to have two separate stereo busses (one compressor and one audio track per buss) to get a two channel (stereo) sidechain going. and in this case the left and right side are processing differently potentially leading to imbalances in your stereo image (or phasing issues maybe?)
2) Drumkit from hell superior is a pain to work with. sonar doesn't parse vst rewire apps properly or something, so you have to use a series of inserts and huge numbers of submix busses just to get your drums into separate pan-able and processable channels. it WORKS fine, it's just a pain.
3) it keeps getting more and more bloated with each new version. taking up more CPU cycles and screen real-estate. if this gets out of hand I may consider a different DAW.
I'd probably move to SawStudio if it came with a reasonable MIDI interface at a reasonable price. but for now sonar does what I need.
zmetallica
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what is with the obsession with drumkit from hell on this board? i've used it didn't like it much. Personally i'd rather just record real drums with a good drummer.
Because of cost & convenience. I too enjoy tracking/mixing real drums a lot more than some drum software, but I think my neighbours would be really pissed at me if I recorded a drumkit in my apartment. Many people, including myself, write music at home and virtual instruments make it a lot easier to try things out than having to book studio, musicians etc.zmetallica said:
DFH sounds good for metal, that`s why people on this board use it.
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Good luck finding a drummer who will try out your brilliant new song idea at three in the morning anyway. 
DFH sounds great, is easy to use, and is a lot more convenient (and affordable) than a bloody drummer every moment you get bored and the mics you'd use getting an even acceptable sound compared to that.
Jeff
Jeff
zmetallica said:
I for one write music in sort of a one-manned project. I don't have the abillity to play the drums myself, and I don't have the proper equipment or space to record a full kit right now.
DFH is probably THE reason I got so heavy into recording/engineering. Without it I wouldn't have ever been able to fully realize my own writing ideas and put them on tape. If I hadn't started to write music, I probably would have quit both bass and guitar all together because I'm more of a "writer" than I am "guitarist" or "bassist." I actually don't get much enjoyment out of just sitting around and noodling on the guitar, I have to be writing something.
If my little project ever becomes a live act, everything will be tracked with real instruments.
I know there are a ton of other members on this board who are doing the one-manned thing too. CJWall, Mendel, and Black Neon Bob just to name three.
zmetallica
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well i think i was getting at more this: why do so many people RELEASE albums and such with this. i understand the use of programming drums for tracking and getting ideas down as i use midi for that, but whats wrong with finding a cheap studio/drummer to do your stuff. or even create your own samples (something i've done).
i can't stand hearing programmed drums and i find it annoying when it all sounds the same. between the guitar tone, the drum sound. the only difference in the end is the notes, which are similar in itself some of the time. i'm not pointing fingers at anyone here, but i've just heard way too many people using the same PODXT/drumkit from hell set up. i've made the most out of what i have. a 250 buck drumset with about 500 bux in cymbals (actually had to replace two with the kit) i've gotten over the past 5-6 years. the kit is horrid, but it is a real kit and I get plenty of experience working with a real instrument in a real environment. I am lucky to know someone who is a great drummer and i've helped him out by pushing him to new heights with the music I write. Also a musician isn't that hard to find, it just takes time and patience. how else do all these millions of bands find people to play for them. unless I'm clueless and everyone just plays guitar these days lol. but i know quite a few drummers and even more who can play drums. I guess if you live in the middle of nowhere with no studios around you it can be hard.
also a real drummer can add dynamics to the drums and not play THAT loud. we all have neighbors. mine just don't seem to care THAT much.
As far as I know, one manned things get you nowhere. get your ideas down, sure no prob. but don't think of yourself as a one manned act. you are just a musician without a band. Find others like you and create something together.
after about 10 years or so I've found a group of musicians who I can jam wiht and create something together. I have tons of music in that time to work with, but i haven't released any of it. no problem with the forum members getting advise on mixing or whatever using their own tools, but i hear a shit load of bands on myspace and elsewhere with this kind of stuff and i'm not exactly sure what the situations were here.
sorry for a long post.
i can't stand hearing programmed drums and i find it annoying when it all sounds the same. between the guitar tone, the drum sound. the only difference in the end is the notes, which are similar in itself some of the time. i'm not pointing fingers at anyone here, but i've just heard way too many people using the same PODXT/drumkit from hell set up. i've made the most out of what i have. a 250 buck drumset with about 500 bux in cymbals (actually had to replace two with the kit) i've gotten over the past 5-6 years. the kit is horrid, but it is a real kit and I get plenty of experience working with a real instrument in a real environment. I am lucky to know someone who is a great drummer and i've helped him out by pushing him to new heights with the music I write. Also a musician isn't that hard to find, it just takes time and patience. how else do all these millions of bands find people to play for them. unless I'm clueless and everyone just plays guitar these days lol. but i know quite a few drummers and even more who can play drums. I guess if you live in the middle of nowhere with no studios around you it can be hard.
also a real drummer can add dynamics to the drums and not play THAT loud. we all have neighbors. mine just don't seem to care THAT much.
As far as I know, one manned things get you nowhere. get your ideas down, sure no prob. but don't think of yourself as a one manned act. you are just a musician without a band. Find others like you and create something together.
after about 10 years or so I've found a group of musicians who I can jam wiht and create something together. I have tons of music in that time to work with, but i haven't released any of it. no problem with the forum members getting advise on mixing or whatever using their own tools, but i hear a shit load of bands on myspace and elsewhere with this kind of stuff and i'm not exactly sure what the situations were here.
sorry for a long post.
Amen.....every drummer I've ever played with fits into one of the above categories. I got sick of cleaning up the puddles of drool as well
Brett - K A L I S I A
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Guys, back on topic please 
I've used Cubase and Nuendo (same thing really), Cakewalk and Sonar, Samplitude, Digital Performer and now I'm trying out Logic Pro. Never was completely happy with any of those yet... I'd love to try Pro Tools (seems to be what I want) but only HD version is worthy and it's... well... you know
I've used Cubase and Nuendo (same thing really), Cakewalk and Sonar, Samplitude, Digital Performer and now I'm trying out Logic Pro. Never was completely happy with any of those yet... I'd love to try Pro Tools (seems to be what I want) but only HD version is worthy and it's... well... you know
vo
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I'm stuck with Cubase, because i'm too lazy to start again from the beginning.. ;-)
after 10 years, it just feels like home.. *ggg*
after 10 years, it just feels like home.. *ggg*
Brett - K A L I S I A said:Guys, back on topic please
I've used Cubase and Nuendo (same thing really), Cakewalk and Sonar, Samplitude, Digital Performer and now I'm trying out Logic Pro. Never was completely happy with any of those yet... I'd love to try Pro Tools (seems to be what I want) but only HD version is worthy and it's... well... you know
But which did you like best? And which do you reckon is the best value?
Steve
Brett - K A L I S I A
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So far I'd say they all have great features and if one DAW could gather all of their strongest points it would be killer. I'm using Cubase the most, but I only bought Logic a few days ago and I still have 1500 pages of manual to read I used to love it when it was on PC though, version 4 or 5 I think...
I used to love it when it was on PC though, version 4 or 5 I think...
zmetallica
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logic is the most powerful, most complex piece of software I ever put my hands on. That being said it is the slowest DAW software I've used (nearly all of them except newest versions of sonar and protools (last version i used was 6), and DP. If you want to spend the time (and a lot of it) to learn logic pro, you will have one hell of a lot of flexability in the studio.
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