ProgPower USA XII Roster Discussion
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Now I can totally see Glenn looking at all of the predictions and just grinning... evil laughter... the little horns showing up behind his head...
Either we really suck, or the son of a bitch is good at it.
Knowing the guy's mind, I don't think anyone will *ever* predict the full lineup correctly.
Either we really suck, or the son of a bitch is good at it.
Knowing the guy's mind, I don't think anyone will *ever* predict the full lineup correctly.I expect Arcturus to draw from outside the normal ProgPower fanbase, which ought to be good for the fest and I believe is a current goal for Glenn. I bet there will be a sizable number of folks there next year coming specifically for Arcturus who would not normally have thought much about PP.
This year there were a couple of people who I got a vibe were there this one time, specifically for Oceans of Sadness. I mean that in a cool way. I didn't ask them, but it just felt that way seeing them in the crowd. If that's the case, I hope they enjoyed themselves and come back.
This year there were a couple of people who I got a vibe were there this one time, specifically for Oceans of Sadness. I mean that in a cool way. I didn't ask them, but it just felt that way seeing them in the crowd. If that's the case, I hope they enjoyed themselves and come back.
ixrayu
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I will be SHOCKED if this show gets with in 250 tickets of a sell out. I'm VERY surprised to Sanctuary as a headliner. I'm not a big fan. Therion, I was at PPVI and watched the entire show. I thought the first 30 minutes of their set was spectacular. During the rest of the set, a death metal show broke out and was NOT for me. I personally dont care for the "death" vocals. However, the newest release by them(til next month), Gothic Kabbalah was one of the best (start to finish)releases of 2007. Still, for me MAJOR let down on Headliners. As for Arcturas, I'm familiar with them, and could take it or leave it, but mostly leave it. I do NOT see this band getting tix sold for this festival. (though I hope I am TOTALLY wrong for sake of this festival).
Dream Evil, Mob Rules, and Labyrinth for me are worth the price of going alone. I have followed all 3 bands since their debuts, and can't wait to see em.
Red Circuit, I think of as a Vanden Plas tribute band. Seriously, Andy Kuntz(VP vocalist) co-wrote most of the new album, it sounds like VP. Is this a bad thing? For me, not at all, I like em.
Voyager, Eldritch, While Heaven Wept, I have cd's from all 3 and like them but don't love any of em. I picked up Creations End at Glenns table at the show and it sounds pretty good once through.
I do know that 2 of my friends who have been getting Gold Badges with my wife and I for the last 6 years have said they probably wont go next year due to Major disappointment in the line up.
Dream Evil, Mob Rules, and Labyrinth for me are worth the price of going alone. I have followed all 3 bands since their debuts, and can't wait to see em.
Red Circuit, I think of as a Vanden Plas tribute band. Seriously, Andy Kuntz(VP vocalist) co-wrote most of the new album, it sounds like VP. Is this a bad thing? For me, not at all, I like em.
Voyager, Eldritch, While Heaven Wept, I have cd's from all 3 and like them but don't love any of em. I picked up Creations End at Glenns table at the show and it sounds pretty good once through.
I do know that 2 of my friends who have been getting Gold Badges with my wife and I for the last 6 years have said they probably wont go next year due to Major disappointment in the line up.
ixrayu said:
I'm actually pretty damn sure you're wrong. I mean, on the Blabbermouth shitty forums you see people saying that Arcturus alone is worth the price of admission. I think you're underestimating this band.
ixrayu
Senior Member
I didn't meet a single person at the show this year that knew who they were. I talked to ALOT of people on saturday, 90% of them were discussing not coming next year do to only 1 or 2 bands coming that they want to see.
As I said before, I hope I'm wrong about it too. I do NOT want to see this festival come to an end due to lack of interest in 1 years line up.
dcowboys311
Member
With that logic...90% of people at PP wouldn't know who Bolt Thrower is. Doesn't mean they wouldn't pack the place if they were ever booked (not saying they ever would be, just an example.)
Arcturus is a HUGE name in the metal community. Just not your standard prog/power fanfare.
The problem is that a *lot* of people are narrowminded as fuck. If it's not straight up progressive or straight up power metal, they won't even bother checking out. I mean, people really need to realize that ProgPower is branching into new territory and that's how it's going to be from now on, it seems.
The people who keep on expecting the same Kamelot, Sonata, Nightwish, Evergrey and Epica every single year should really wake up and smell the coffee.
This is going to sound like I'm making this up now, but I honestly was expecting to see Arcturus show up on the lineup between 2004 and 2007. Of course it would have been a long shot in 2004 or 2005, but by the time of Sideshow Symphonies they were getting a lot of attention in "our" circles. Glenn even posted a comment back in 2006 that what stopped him from booking them at that time was Simen's busy schedule with Dimmu. I bought their DVD in the vendor room in 06. (I wonder how much of the theatrics at that show they will reproduce next year, if any). They have released some of my favorite albums (La Masquerade Infernale and The Sham Mirrors) and, at one point, you could even buy their CDs at Best Buy! (I'm pointing that out to show that they are not that obscure). To say again, Arcturus is very, very well known and well liked in other metal circles than the usual prog metal / power metal crowd, and I believe people from those areas are going to come out to this fest.
It's honestly a lineup that has very little initial appeal to me outside of Therion which is kind of a can't miss especially with it a US exclusive 2-hr show. Arcturus is intriguing and I'll probably find myself really looking forward to them once I have time to check out some of their catalog. I'll probably find a few more bands to interest me (While Heaven Wept being one).
It's quite different from last year where I had 5 bands right away that I wanted to see and ended up only disinterested in 3 out of the 13 bands.
It's quite different from last year where I had 5 bands right away that I wanted to see and ended up only disinterested in 3 out of the 13 bands.
Now I can totally see Glenn looking at all of the predictions and just grinning... evil laughter... the little horns showing up behind his head...
Since the predictions also tend to be wishlists, I'd say that a lineup that no one predicts is NOT a good thing.
Since the predictions also tend to be wishlists, I'd say that a lineup that no one predicts is NOT a good thing.
People with common sense should know the difference between a prediction and a wishlist, though.
dcowboys311
Member
All the bands but one were predicted and that band doesn't even have an album yet.
I'd say it's a good thing to have the lineup draw a little from most of the wishlists rather than satisfy one tiny group of people and leave the rest in the cold.
I will be SHOCKED if this show gets with in 250 tickets of a sell out.
If the economy still sucks, I'd say that's about right. But assuming a decent economy, this show will sell 95% of the tickets regardless of the lineup. Glenn's built up a fantastically loyal fanbase. Seems like some people that go don't even watch many of the sets. It's as much a metal convention these days as a metal show.
The people who keep on expecting the same Kamelot, Sonata, Nightwish, Evergrey and Epica every single year should really wake up and smell the coffee.
Fixin' what ain't broken. It's been happening on and off since PPVII. It wasn't necessary then, it's not necessary now. The huge success of this last PP proves that. If you can sell out PP in a crappy economy using the same formula that's been used since PPIII, that means it STILL WORKS.
If the economy still sucks, I'd say that's about right. But assuming a decent economy, this show will sell 95% of the tickets regardless of the lineup. Glenn's built up a fantastically loyal fanbase. Seems like some people that go don't even watch many of the sets. It's as much a metal convention these days as a metal show.
The people who keep on expecting the same Kamelot, Sonata, Nightwish, Evergrey and Epica every single year should really wake up and smell the coffee.
Fixin' what ain't broken. It's been happening on and off since PPVII. It wasn't necessary then, it's not necessary now. The huge success of this last PP proves that. If you can sell out PP in a crappy economy using the same formula that's been used since PPIII, that means it STILL WORKS.
People with common sense should know the difference between a prediction and a wishlist, though.
And anyone who knows how these things have worked would know that the predictions tend to be what people want to see.
All the bands but one were predicted and that band doesn't even have an album yet.
But no one came close to predicting the lineup and no one even imagined Sanctuary in a headliner slot. Do they even have enough material for 90 minutes? They'll have had three albums by September.
And anyone who knows how these things have worked would know that the predictions tend to be what people want to see.
All the bands but one were predicted and that band doesn't even have an album yet.
But no one came close to predicting the lineup and no one even imagined Sanctuary in a headliner slot. Do they even have enough material for 90 minutes? They'll have had three albums by September.
I agree that it has become as much as a metal convention. People do come regardless of the lineup. However, you gotta remember that Sanctuary, Arcturus and While Heaven Wept will draw people outside of the ProgPower scene. You can expect tickets sold for those bands alone.
adaher said:
I disagree. I believe if he keeps on booking bands that tour the US all the time, or it's not a once in a lifetime thing you will eventually start going down the drain. You need to keep things fresh, you need to evolve. I think ProgPower gains more fans by branching out to these new directions than loses fans because of the same reason.
Plus comparing PP 3 with last year is just not right. The situation of the whole prog/power scene is completely different!
nomisofsiman
Member
I agree with you in terms of Sanctuary. Even though I do personally like them, I don't think they should've been a headliner but maybe a 5th slot. Therion is headliner material. Sure, not every stop on their last tour sold well, but we're comparing one show in the US to several shows with not that much bigger of a venue size. And from what I've seen they have a hardcore fanbase that most likely will travel to see them, especially considering this will most likely be the LAST time they ever play the US.
Absolutely. It still to me is a reason to laugh that people don't know the difference. I mean, there are usually two threads - one for predictions, one for wishlists...
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