Programmed drums with Live cymbals

[Polpotkin]

Me and my friend have a Dimmu Borgir'ish black metal project. Our goal is to write an album and record it. This is some very fast technical stuff and we don't know any drummer who would be able to play this. So I thought, why don't we program the kicks snare and toms since it will be trigged anyway, and record the cymbals/hihat/ride as usual.
Do you think that this could actually be a good idea? Has it been done before on any known album (I wouldn't be surprised). Is it actually a common technique?

Cheers

 

[Jackal_Strain]

Sure it could be done, but it might sound just as fake as programming the entire set.

 

[Polpotkin]

That's what i'm afraid of... The idea is to work much with velocity and not quantize to the grid... Maybe bounce every drum to own tracks and trig with drumagog, with random samples...

 

[Jackal_Strain]

But why are you concerned about it sounding real? You lksted dimmu as an influence. listen to their latest albums. Pretty machine like.

 

[joeymusicguy]

maybe he only means the guitars

i dont listen to them, so i might have made a big joke of my self there, if their guitars are stale, haha

 

[Loren Littlejohn]

Yeah I have done it also. Only cause I like my K custom shit miced over triggered cyms. I don't see why not. Like jackal said your just gonna need to tweak the fuck out of it to get it to sound realistic.

 

[musickey]

I getting ready to do the same thing pretty much, I have my drummers kit completely triggered and running into a DM5 so the midi data will be recorded along with the kit being miced, once i get some shit recorded im going to run the midi track into EZDrummer and just fuck around with blending the organic kit with the midi kit. i will post some stuff later.

 

[MetalSound]

No problem with that.

Personally I think that it is the best way to record an album if you´ve got a drummer that isn´t able to play the stuff.
I am currently thinking of switching to e-drums instead of a real kit because most of the drummers I record aren´t able to play.

They hit the skins with a stick that´s as thick as a pencil and with power that my grandmother would laugh at and in the end they want to sound like Lars Ulrich.
So what do we do?

TRIGGERING! and then mess around with the bleed in the overheads from the toms/snare so you can´t edit the drums perfectly.

Drummers suck!

In the last 4 years of my recording I have only had 2 drummers that were really good at playing!

 

[MetalSound]

By the way, here is a black metal project I did completely with programmed drums.
Toms and cymbals from LM4, bass drum and snare my own (just one sample so there is no dynamic-but I didn´t want to have it sound reallistic).

http://www.bloodmoon-band.de/

Just download the complete demo in the music-section.
Site only in German. Sorry!

 

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