R.I.P. Chester Bennington.

[EspaDa]

About what?

About depression and how you manage to overcome it.

 

[EspaDa]

Have you taken up psychotherapy? For how long have you been suffering from this vile disturbance?

I also take pills, now I was prescribed fluoxetine and I believe it works. I consider going to psychotherapy though. Don't want to poison myself with pills for the rest of my life.

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

i dont thin there's anyone on this planet that think its ok to kill yourself and leave your children behind. That's beyond the point. What im saying is the guy just fucking died, why is that that you need start trashing him literally days after it happened? I dont like a lot of stuff about him, im not about to go jump on message boards and start trashing a man who just died. I'm honestly amazed at some of these posts, and they are rather very telling.

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

how did you guys get diagnosed? If you dont mind me asking.

 

[Einherjar86]

I don't suffer from depression, so I cannot empathize with some of you here; and I can't imagine the experience of being so depressed as to contemplate, or attempt, suicide.

But I don't think that depression and suicide should be a competition, or that one person's attempt is somehow more laudable than another person's suicide. One isn't more laudable than the other, and neither is a cause for ridicule. The difference between seeking help and successfully killing oneself can't be measured by personal responsibility. I always go back to David Foster Wallace's description in Infinite Jest:

The so-called ‘psychotically depressed’ person who tries to kill herself doesn’t do so out of quote ‘hopelessness’ or any abstract conviction that life’s assets and debits do not square. And surely not because death seems suddenly appealing. The person in whom Its invisible agony reaches a certain unendurable level will kill herself the same way a trapped person will eventually jump from the window of a burning high-rise. Make no mistake about people who leap from burning windows. Their terror of falling from a great height is still just as great as it would be for you or me standing speculatively at the same window just checking out the view; i.e. the fear of falling remains a constant. The variable here is the other terror, the fire’s flames: when the flames get close enough, falling to death becomes the slightly less terrible of two terrors. It’s not desiring the fall; it’s terror of the flames. And yet nobody down on the sidewalk, looking up and yelling ‘Don’t!’ and ‘Hang on!’, can understand the jump. Not really. You’d have to have personally been trapped and felt flames to really understand a terror way beyond falling.

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

lol, you dont think i havent trashed LP and the likes of them? But again, you just dont seem to get it. Youre pointing out that he abounded his kids like we all dont know or something. Or that there are people who think it was ok for him to leave behind his children? But that is not enough of a reason for me to start trashing someone right after they died.

 

[EspaDa]

Never tried psychotherapy, I don't need some quacky bastard down my throat. If I want to talk, that's why I have friends, I don't need to spend hundreds of dollars on some lunk with a PhD. I've been suffering it for roughly 30 years now.

@H.P. Lovecraft What are the symptoms you're experiencing while not on pills?

@TechnicalBarbarity I went to a shrink after losing interest in life. It started to get scary once I've lost my interest in music and stuff. I remember driving for classes to my university and believing its totally hopeless, I almost crashed as I saw no purpose behind every activity I was performing, every thing I did was connected with compulsive thoughts that prevented me from acting reasonably.

 

[EspaDa]

How about Jon Nödtveidt from Dissection? Is suicide for 'higher purpose' explicable?

 

[Talos of Atmora]

How about Jon Nödtveidt from Dissection? Is suicide for 'higher purpose' explicable?

I guess so, considering that he may have been somewhat insane.

 

[Einherjar86]

It's not competitive. There's no such thing as laudable suicide or laudable suicide attempts. However, the abandonment of your own children is certainly catalyst for ridicule.

I don't think that's true if you genuinely believe that your barest existence somehow poses a threat or worse to them.

That's not a reason to excuse suicide, but I think it's a reason to avoid talking about suicide as some kind of deplorable weakness.

 

[Talos of Atmora]

The explanation for that is either cognitive delusion or external brainwashing.

Due to what had happened in his life prior to his death, I'd go with the former than the latter.

 

[EspaDa]

He was an incredibly intelligent person, but dying for the idea of satanism seem kind of lame to me.

Dead from Mayhem was insane. I don't think Jon was.

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

after reading through some of the above posts, i think maybe its about time i go see a shrink.

I have no time to give him even an iota of good will if he did that to his kids. I know you know, what I'm saying is that he's a scumfuck who deserves every bit of it for doing that to his children.

Or maybe dont expect everyone who is really struggling with depression to be as strong as you were/are?

 

[Einherjar86]

Suicide isn't innately a deplorable weakness, however it becomes one when you abandon those dependent on you.

Again, not when you believe those dependent on you are threatened or worsened by your existence.

But look, I'm not trying to put myself in your shoes or anyone else's. I just don't see any productive reason for talking about suicide in this way, regardless of whether or not the person had children.

 

[Nate Skalman]

This cunt has no idea what clinical depression is. Your life can be perfect in every aspect; happy marriage, good job, good pay rate, nice house in a nice neighborhood and all of that will not cancel out clinical depression.

You're right!...you can have it all and still bite the bag and step out the door, it's called being a quitter...guy really shit all over his family and I'm supposed to feel sorry for him- sorry, I don't...if only YOU could've talked him out of it...

 

[EspaDa]

In my case, I'm much better now on pills. However, I still consider myself a shadow of what I used to be and I long for days of yore. <- is it gramatically correct? I love the word 'yore', haha.

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

He was an incredibly intelligent person, but dying for the idea of satanism seem kind of lame to me.

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I like Nödtveidt's vocals, but if he abandoned young ones, fuck him as a person. The explanation for that is either cognitive delusion or external brainwashing.

of course, as ive said numerous times already i dont think anyone thinks killing yourself and leaving behind your children is ok. that is beyond the point

It's not a matter of strength, it's a matter of doing what's right for those in your charge and care in spite of yourself.

Dude, you are talking like he wasnt struggling with some kind of affliction/medical condition and that he just woke up one day and decided "yea fuck it, im just going to hang myself and traumatize my kids for the rest of their lives". Like i said, nothing you are saying here warrants your post of that repulsive meme from the previous page. Same goes for all the other edgy faggots who decided to jump in a RIP thread and start trashing a man days after he died.

 

[Mort Divine]

anyone criticizing him for 'leaving behind his kids' is being a massive knob

yeah, they'll be dealing with the loss of their father probably all their lives, not everyone has the same level of control over their illness as others, some people cannot keep up with it and while we should not encourage them to end their lives, none of us are in a position to say what one 'could have or should have done'

just makes you look like a judgmental prick

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

In my case, I'm much better now on pills.

see thats what im afraid of. I'm so "anti-pills".

 

[EspaDa]

I can partly understand his motives for killing himself. Sometimes when afflicted, you just can't act reasonably and everything seems futile to you. He just couldn't cope with it anymore. Cornell is said to have taken too much pills. It's not stated whether Bennington was reliant on anti-depressants.